Arrows of Time, Eras of Time, let’s call the whole thing off.
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Comment on Week in review by kim
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by GaryM
Peter Lang,
You still weren’t far off. The bore hole temperatures taken are “direct measurements.” But the use to which those measurements are put is as a proxy for past surface temps.
“Departures from the expected increase in temperature with depth (the geothermal gradient) can be interpreted in terms of changes in temperature at the surface in the past, which have slowly diffused downward, warming or cooling layers meters below the surface.”
Current temps at depth as proxies for past temps at the surface? Forget the issue of the impact of drilling the bore holes on the temps at depth Forget also how you attribute temperature at depth to heat from above as opposed to heat radiated from below I am sure these are all calculated to within hundredths of degrees by the modelers. And I am sure they have the diffusion rate calculated with sufficient precision to allow the to determine surface temps at least on annual, if not monthly (daily?) time scales. But I wonder what type of Mannian statistics they use to determine past surface temps this way? What are the assumptions? What are the error bars? How do they test their results?
Yeah, this is a much better idea than tree rings and ice cores. (Aren’t the measurements of the widths of the rings, and the isotopes in the ice cores, also “direct measurements?”)
What was the word you used?
Oh yeah.
Twaddle.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
Kahan ignores a recent, much publicised example of something that fits his hypothesis, but flatly contradicts the ideology trying to palm off as fact.
Yeah, I guess he was just too ‘overburdened’ to include it.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Mike Flynn
izen,
With respect, I suggest you may have misread what I wrote.
Marine fossils have been found at 6000 m altitude. Likewise, fossilised marine creatures are found in remote opal fields in Australia, quite remote from present oceans. Sea levels appear to be dictated by more than just water volume. And, of course, free liquid water volume depends on surface temperature in the area being below boiling and above freezing.
You may be able to quickly calculate the effects of the land mass surrounding Mt Everest rocketing skywards at around 1 cm per annum, and combine it with the unknown vertical displacement of the ocean basins, the unknown amount of heat from deep sea vents, heat from geothermal activities melting ice caps, deposition from land solids into the oceans, fresh water flows both from the land and sub surface aquifers, and a raft of other things which affect the relative level of the the sea to the land.
Alas, I cannot. Nor, I fear, can you or anybody else.
For example, the Aral Sea, (not an ocean, I grant you), has lost an unknown amount of water shrinking to some 10% of its previous 68,000 sq kms. The water no doubt went somewhere. Neither you nor I can state with certainty it did not wind up in the nearest ocean. Nobody really knows how much liquid water is contained within the Earth’s system, let alone how much is readily available.
Your assertions remain just that – unproved assertions based on the fiction that a body can have its temperature raised by the simple expedient of surrounding it with CO2. Again, alas – nonsense pure and simple.
So, which do you prefer? Are so called climate scientists fools, charlatans, mentally deranged, or merely gullible and too easily influenced?
Unfortunately, amongst the motley crew of second raters, there are no doubt some who could have used their undoubted talents to provide something of value, however meagre, to humanity. It is a pity they wasted their efforts, producing no benefit to anyone except themselves.
Live well and prosper,
Mike Flynn.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
How odd for Joshua, known largely for completely lacking diligence, to be asking for dilgence from the super-diligent McIntyre. I guess he thinks h’s being clever.
The evidence is clear. Kahan ducks a well known fact that undermines his real point. And young Joshua, because he subscribes to Kahan’s chicanery, tries ever so hard to miss that.
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Comment on Week in review by GaryM
Comment in moderation, probably because of two links included, about the CDC whistle blower about the CDC researchers’ suppression of data in the seminal “there is absolutely no link between vaccines and autism” paper. The researcher’s most recent paper was quickly “withdrawn from the public domain,” and Snopes already has a self contradictory article up on the subject, confirming the reporting, but finding is false. (The opposite of the Dan Rather method – the facts are false but the story is true.)
Government science at its very finest.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by tonyb
Bob
Are you suggesting they have vineyards in The Orkneys and Argyll? I think you have misread the nature of the list you posted.
tonyb
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Comment on Week in review by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)
I just checked my diary. Sadly the Climate Summit clashes with washing my hair..and I need to rearrange my sock drawer before winter.
I will not be able to attend.
Please pass on my apologies to the Acting Assistant Third Under Secretary (Jollies, Junkets and Jamborees) ..or her stand-in if she too has urgent business watching grass grow…….
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Comment on Week in review by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)
‘Luvvie’ in UK means a thesp. An ‘actor’ with a super-high opinion of her little pastime and her playmates.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by climatereason
GaryM
Whole branches of science have developed to support unlikely measurements. Tree rings, sediments, boreholes are all ones that should have been laughed out of court before they had developed into the apparently irrefutable highly accurate forms we see today.
Why do climate scientists blithely accept this sort of stuff as being meaningful to fractions of a degree?
tonyb
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Comment on Week in review by Faustino
“… we still don’t know how to talk about climate change.” “1,418 comments and counting.”
So at least we know how to write about it!
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Comment on Week in review by wiljan2014
“MODTRAN has a profile. It is multi-layer as any decent IR radiative transfer model would be. Even though it is now an old code, it shows the basic principles well enough to be used as a teaching tool at U. Chicago.”
MODTRAN is not now, and never has been a radiative transfer model. MODTRAN like HITRAN indicates only the attenuation of the amplitude modulation of EMR, never the attenuation of the flux itself. When the atmosphere is in radiative equilibrium no flux is absorbed.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by mosomoso
Apples, berries, roots, leaves…you can make wine from anything. Ask a canny Scot.
Hey, someone just this year actually managed to make a tiny amount of GRAPE wine in Scotland using white grapes developed in a German lab. Planet’s in trouble now.
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Comment on Week in review by beththeserf
The vorpal blade goes snicker-snack.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by climatereason
mosomoso
yeah, the Romans were able to do that as well of course, which is why its such a fair comparison to match todays grapes with those of 2000 years ago.
tonyb
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by izen
@-willb
“I highly doubt that sea level data points based on Roman fish pond levels have either the accuracy or the necessary spatial and temporal coverage to ‘confirm’ anything.”
Your personal high doubt has little effect on the known and established science in this field.
@-Mike Flynn
“You may be able to quickly calculate the effects of the land mass surrounding Mt Everest rocketing skywards at around 1 cm per annum, and combine it with the unknown vertical displacement of the ocean basins,… Alas, I cannot. Nor, I fear, can you or anybody else.
No calculation is required. It is simple topology and conservation of matter that tectonic movement of the land and ocean floor has zero effect on he volume of the oceans. It can only change the local position of the sea shore. The volume of the oceans can only be changed by thermal expansion and the addition of water from land ice.
@-“For example, the Aral Sea, (not an ocean, I grant you), has lost an unknown amount of water shrinking to some 10% of its previous 68,000 sq kms.”
The cause is known and the effect was predicted when the main inflow rivers to the Aral were diverted into irrigation projects in the 60s.
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Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by Pekka Pirilä
When the argument is built on the fact that H2O is a boson, then de Broglie wavelength is a relevant factor. The book contains such arguments. When such collective modes are discussed, where similar results may apply, it’s not of significance that H2O is a boson. Then the energy present in the formula is the energy of such a collective mode, not that of a H2O molecule.
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Comment on Week in review by k scott denison
Jim D at 11:22 PM says….
This skeptic, Jim D, could care less what China does about CO2. I hope they do,something about their air pollution problem as this is a serious issue. Whether they, India, the US or anyone reduces CO2 is not a concern as any threat from AGW is clearly overblown. May they all work to improve their citizens’ lives by supplying low-cost energy in a way that does not put real pollutants (which don’t include CO2) into the air.
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Comment on Week in review by k scott denison
Tom Fuller at 9:14 PM praises Obama…
Please, Tom, list his top three foreign policy accomplishments and his top three domestic policy accomplishments.
Libya? Iraq? Russia? Afghanistan?
Obamacare? Unemployment? Economic growth? Immigration?
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Comment on Week in review by beththeserf
O that Cee-oh-too plant food, ain’t it somethin’,
who could ask fer anything more? …
He hangs in shade the orange bright
Like golden lamps in a green night,
And does in the pomegranate’s close
Jewels more rich than Orris shows,
He makes the figs our mouths to meet,
And throws the melons at our feet, …
H/t the marvellous and marvelling
Andrew Marvell.
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