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Comment on How to criticize with kindness by kim

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It’s a passing cloud, one with no silver lining.
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Comment on How to criticize with kindness by kim

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The truth? The truth? You can’t dandle the truth.
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Comment on How to criticize with kindness by ordvic

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This reminds me a little of the debate that Bill Buckley had with Joan Baez and some other peace activists. I’d like to see it again actually. If I remember right Buckleys main arguement was what do you do if your attacked? Just capitulate? I remember also being fairly impressed with Joan Baez. She seemed pretty intelligent and could hold her own.

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by Tonyb

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Fan

That was a good essay by Hansen.

However I know nothing whatsoever about the Marshall institute and would like to see comments from both sides before coming to an opinion about them. Hopefully other people will weigh in.

Although I am unlikely ever to be asked I can’t see myself talking at a Heartland conference but whether the Marshall institute is a similar fish or not I have no idea.

Tonyb

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by Joshua

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Joseph –

GaryM was also absolutely sure that pollsters were skewing their data prior to the last presidential election – so as to make it seem like Obama was doing better than he really was, so as to help him win the election. He did deep analysis to explain how he knew that the skewing was taking place.

Now one can certainly surmise that after the election, and it became apparent that actually the polls were underestimating votes for Obama, he realized that he was wrong and hence changed his mind.

I mean it’s not like he admitted that he was wrong on the topic, even though I called him on it many times. But that may just be because he’s not one of the “conservatives” that’s big on personal responsibility.

But at any rate, we can certainly assume that would be at least one example where he changed his mind and (realized that there really was no conspiracy afoot).

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by willard (@nevaudit)

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Did you know this was staged behind Gavin’s back, Bob?

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by ordvic

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We may have to go back to Socrates or further before we can get to the root of play nice stuff.

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Comment on How to criticize with kindness by Steven Mosher

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Gary
you are forgetting rule #1.

“But it needn’t be this way — there are ways to be critical while remaining charitable, of aiming not to “conquer” but to “come at truth,” not to be right at all costs but to understand and advance the collective understanding.”

Like I said, giving an account of the authors position in its most strong form. The author is concerned with coming to truth. Your rules are
about rhetoric.

I assume you are in the legal profession or have sympathies for it.
That would be about winning not about coming to truth

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by pa

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“The author is discussing coming to truth”.

I’m not sure much progress can be made in the search for eternal truth in this blog because that search has been going on for a while with inconclusive results.

However since the topic is responding to other posts…

1. Read the post first.
2. Identify the points in the post.
3. Respond to the points in the post, don’t create strawmen and respond to strawmen.
4. Respond factually if possible.
5. If giving an opinion – supply supporting information.
6. Avoid grabbing on to a single point like a Gila monster. After a few posts in a thread let it go. Use the “dead horse” standard. After about an hour if the horse hasn’t moved, it is dead, quit beating it. Move on to a new horse.

The strawman problem is responsible for some endless circular arguments.

I have is

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by Curious George

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I wonder how these rules apply in the following model (but real) situation:

*** 5/18/12 From: (me)
In your “Description of the NCAR Community Atmosphere Model (CAM 3.0)”, NCAR/TN–464+STR, Table 6.1, “List of Physical Constants”, there is a Symbol Lv, Latent Heat of Vaporization, 2.501*10**6 J/kg. This is a correct value for 0 degrees Centigrade. Do you apply any corrections for other temperatures? If so, the correction coefficients should also be listed in Table 6.1. If not, could you please point me to a paper showing that no such correction is necessary.

*** 5/24/12 From: ucar.edu
As far as I know we only use the value for 0 deg and don’t any temperature corrections.

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Comment on Week in review by markus

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you have no idea full stop.

It’s no coincidence you post a link to that paper just as the hockeyschtick blog misinterprets it, and you make the same error in interpreting it. I find it hard to believe you are being honest.

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by mwgrant

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Steven Mosher wrote

“given the right interpretative approach everything can be read ironically.”

I wonder if Hofstadter could work with the quote. Smells a little like all men are liars.

Comment on Fraudulent(?) hockey stick by philjourdan

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YOu really should not wind yourself up that way.


Comment on How to criticize with kindness by kim

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Earth will abide; it’s whether emissions persist or not.
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Comment on Fraudulent(?) hockey stick by philjourdan

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Apparently you do not know the difference between weather and climate. I know you think there has never been a drought in California before.

Comment on How to criticize with kindness by A fan of *MORE* discourse

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Summary Proposition  Those of Judith Curry’s students who never learn (from her example) how to respond professionally to well-mannered, well-reasoned professional critiques — for example, Gavin Schmidt’s critique, and more recently the critique of “and then there’s physics” — cannot reasonably hope to achieve James Hansen’s level of scientific achievement, recognition, and world-wide esteem.

*THAT* common-sense professional reality is evident to *EVERYONE* who has read these two critiques — climate-science students especially — eh Climate Etc readers?

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Comment on Week in review by markus

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<i>after 2009</i>? what happened to since 1995 or since 2002? Cooling date keeps slipping huh.

Comment on Week in review by kim

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Opaque the cake, that puff of cloud,
Convect me where that says out loud.
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