Ditto, except I came into this issue from a Public Health research background where “noble cause corruption” is also rife. It’s a tough thing to have some pretty core beliefs tumbled by exposure to the real debate. I suspect that when the history of these times is written the doom-laden and almost hysterical public memes at the turn into the third millennium will seem as quaint and bizarre as the superstitious frenzy to which Europe succumbed at the end of the first.
Comment on Why target Heartland? by Robin Melville
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by cwon14
Pointman,
I don’t expect Dr. Curry to convert. When I do discuss something of importance I expect the obvious to be acknowledged. AGW and Green movements are left-wing in nature at this point of history. She can’t bring herself to say this. Why? It’s a very deep politically correct code that is followed here.
I really do want your opinion Pointman or anyone who can explain a good reason for the obfuscation of something very basic that is acknowledged in coded speak all the time by Dr. Curry herself. It helps feed the “it’s about science” mantra of the AGW movement that deserves no respect at all. She is feeding a monster, why should I respect that at all? Why should you?
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Vaughan Pratt
If the tobacco companies have been convicted under RICO, why are they still operating?
Because they weren’t convicted of operating, they were convicted under RICO. Duh.
If Bernie Madoff had been convicted of breathing they’d have presumably put a stop to that in due course, as they did with Saddam Hussein.
This is the first I’d heard of this sudden deletion of something RICO-related at WUWT. Did someone threaten Watt’s kneecaps? The plot thickens.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Bob Koss
OT, but an excellent talk.
PDF of Richard Lindzen at the House of Commons.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02148/RSL-HouseOfCommons_2148505a.pdf
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Vaughan Pratt
<i>asserting for example that “Even tobacco companies have constitutional rights.”</i>
The question of whether corporations have constitutional rights is central to the Supreme Court's recent campaign finance case, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. But it also comes up in many other areas -- criminal prosecution of corporate entities, government demands for corporate data, punitive damages, and freedom of the press -- to name only a few.
Anyone in the vicinity of Stanford University between 5:30 and 8 pm on March 5 is <a href="http://www.law.stanford.edu/calendar/details/3953/" rel="nofollow">welcome to attend a discussion of this question</a>. Free and open to the public, but registration is requested.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Robin Melville
The first paragraph’s ok. MDR nails the operational modes of the tiny muddled rump of far-left groups shattered by Reagan/Thatcher and the collapse of the USSR (which they strongly opposed, by the way).
The second para implies that a Marxist would support anti-AGW campaigns. Marx and Engels mourned the replacement of diverse and complex social relations by the simple payment of a cash sum (e.g. wages). But they recognised that capitalism had unleashed unparalleled productivity which had the prospect of allowing beneficial living standards for all (as opposed to the “idiocy of rural life” which green campaigners seem to wish for us).
Their complaint was that the workers who created this wealth were alienated from its fruits. Marxists can’t be against industrialism — their supposed agency of change is the industrial working class. They are, however, opposed to capitalism.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by oxonmoron
Ahem Ecotretas. Actually Richard Lindzen is a very distinguished climate scientist. His recent lecture to Brit parliamentarians is a blistering expose which, surprise surprise was received very well. There are others as reputable who have bucked the “cause”. It’s not about the science.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by charles the moderator
He didn’t think he would be caught just as the CG 1 and 2 leaker was not caught.
Moshpit zeroing in on him within hours completely upset his plans and dreams. Everything since has been damage control. Everything.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Shevva
This is what I stand for, this is the science I stand behind, through open and honest bedate, I would hope you stand with me.
Seems simple enough.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Dagfinn
There is also the “false balance” ideology, which entails demanding dominance based on the alleged total wrongness of the opponent. This requires an opponent that fits the stereotype.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Doug Schaefer
Edwin Cottey, as Heartland is news to you, don’t miss their fund-soliciting page:
https://supportheartland.kimbia.com/legaldefensefund
“…The truth will eventually be known by everyone…”
I agree completely, and wish I’d said it myself first.
BTW Dr. Curry, my previous post was my first, I sent it, and bang there it was. I praise this policy of non-moderation, because it implies that participants here are wise enough to sort wheat from chaff on their own. Cheers!
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Markus Fitzhenry
Good onya Shevva. Actually whilst all this brohaha has been going on amongst so called academics and climate scientists, real physicists have realised some outstanding facts about climate.
Like the relationship of the S-B law between two spheres one encircling the other with a vacuum in between. Looks like there is a new (yet old) paradigm coming into vogue about how our climate works.
I don’t want to preempt the authors, but watch this space for a new age of enlightenment, not only in the scientific world, but also in Humans understanding of our interaction with the ecology.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by sharper00
@Billy Ruff’n
“It takes courage to go against the flow “
How many scientists became famous for “going with the flow”? The answer is none. Within science you acquire notice, prestige and career advancement by not going with the flow.
All of the thousands of scientists regularly accused of remaining silent about the fraud in the temperature record or that greenhouse physics just doesn’t work could all become famous next week by highlighting just that.
@MattStat
“You are trying to make a point without writing out what it is. For the questions that had clear interpretations, we provided answers.”
I have stated my point openly and invited both you and Richard Tol to contradict my point by answering questions which would reveal me to be wrong.
Both of you evaded those questions and now you evade yet again, indicating my point is correct.
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by Dolphinhead
Kim I heard that BP had bid for the extraction rights
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Comment on Energy policy discussion thread by Bob Ludwick
Biofuels are simply solar collectors whose conversion efficiency is so low that it may well be negative. Their only saving grace is that with ever larger tracts of farmland being converted from food production to biofuel production they may aid in achieving the stated environmentalist objective of reducing the population of the Earth from around 7e9 to the 5e8 that they consider to be ‘sustainable’.
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Comment on Week in review 2/24/12 by Chief Hydrologist
Put it in a box with some knobs on the front – you can recycle Freddie and Jimbo for this – call it Schrödinger and you’ve got a deal.
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Comment on Week in review 2/24/12 by Don Monfort
Chrissy,
Have you guys thought about getting some of your journalist friends to dig up some dirt on her? I mean if you think she shouldn’t be teaching, you got to do something about it, Now that petey has a lot of free time, maybe you can put his big brain to work on the case of that female heretic. You do need some positions to open so you can get a job, don’t you chrissy?
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Comment on Energy policy discussion thread by kim
‘Smart’. This word, it does not mean what you think it means.
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Comment on Week in review 2/24/12 by Don Monfort
freddie,
You are following petey down the rathole. Why do you guys sacrifice your reputations for a lost cause?
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Comment on Why target Heartland? by SamNC
holly stick is as sick as PG.
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