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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by kim
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Comment on Ethics of communicating scientific uncertainty by Bad Andrew
Warmers spend a lot of time lying.
Andrew
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Bob Greene
Reblogged this on <a href="http://junkscience.com/2014/10/22/myths-and-realities-of-renewable-energy/" rel="nofollow">JunkScience.com</a> and commented:
An excellent summary. I assume by "eastern grid" he means PJM
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Bad Andrew
“Consumers are protected…”
Sure.
Andrew
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Patrick Nolan
Typo in myth 5. Should say “without” either wrecking…..
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Planning Engineer
Was referring to the Eastern Interconnection. PJM is a part of that system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Interconnection
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Tim Kelley NECN (@SurfSkiWxMan)
Thanks for your perspective JC, keep it coming..
Under Myth 5, in this sentence
..solar with either wrecking the economy or degrading system reliability or both.
Should it be without?
Best, TK
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Planning Engineer
Yes. Thanks.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Rob Bradley
Renewable energy has had a 100% market share of the energy market for most of mankind’s history. Then (dense-energy) fossil fuels enabled the machinery of the Industrial Revolution. Dilute, intermittent energy cannot power a modern economy… This is a major theme of the posts at http://www.masterresource.org.
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Comment on Ethics of communicating scientific uncertainty by Pierre-Normand
“But what does P-N actually say? That a math he doesn’t seem to understand is wrong because he says so?”
Did I say that his math was wrong? I didn’t check it and in fact don’t have the chops. It’s been way too long since I’ve done much classical mechanics (or any serious mathematical physics). I’m glad you can follow all the derivations. Maybe *you* can tell me where he went wrong.
I said his whole approach is non-standard as he himself acknowledges. There is more to is than simply defining the Hamiltonian for the system. Any approach that derives an equilibrium state for an ideal gas subjected to gravity that yields a non-isothermal state is non-standard.
He not only derives it for an ideal non-radiating gas but suggests that it has relevance to the actual lapse rate of the radiating atmosphere and may be exemplified in Graeff’s cranky free energy generators raises some flags. The second law precludes such an equilibrium state (with a temperature gradient any steeper than Tolman’s tiny relativistic gradient for radiation) in a gas that can radiate at all. He doesn’t seem to be realizing this. (Do you?)
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Bob Greene
I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by omanuel
The biggest myth is that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant. CO2 is part of the natural cycle of renewable energy.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by AK
<blockquote>A cynical observer might believe that the urgency to adopt renewable mandates is driven by fears that we must take action now; as such action will not be justifiable in the near future as the true costs and benefits become better understood.</blockquote>I haven't gotten any farther than this, but had to comment:
<b>This cynical observer</b> strongly suspects that the <i>"urgency to adopt renewable mandates is driven by fears that we must take action now"</i> as falling costs for solar and other technological developments will make <i>"renewable energy"</i> competitive on its own, without the need for regulatory impositions and world government that represent the true agenda.
Of course, I may be overly cynical. Maybe.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Peter M
Congratulations Planning Engineer – you have written an excellent introduction to a critically important aspect.
And thanks to the host – this web-site is wonderful.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Fernando Leanme
Excellent! My experience is in large project development and planning, and I am in full agreement with the article.
I want to add the human failures Planning Engineer describes are also seen within projects in which neither regulators nor green lobbyists have much involvement. The use of optimistic scenarios, flawed asumptions, myths, and low quality management can lead to what we call “train wrecks”: Projects which fail miserably, don´t make a profit, or end up killing a bunch of people. The internal struggles within corporate groups between the “loose dreamers” who forget their details and the “hard core planners” are legendary, and during my careeer I got to see a large number of blood baths caused by internal factions fighting over whether a project should be launched, how it should be launched, etc.
The problems both of us have seen can be dealt with, but it requires highly trained, intelligent, and very well protected individuals at the top (well protected means they have to insist the right thing be done without having their careers turned to shreds).
Given Washington politics and the nature of the people Obama has (unfortunately) put in charge, I don´t see a good outcome in the USA.
The EU, on the other hand, may have the fat pulled out of the fire by the Polish Prime Minister, who has promised to veto Brussel´s proposals for emissions limits, proposals which happen to be based on wishful thinking and Alice in Wonderland engineering.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by GaryW
Having attended multiple meetings in which included people from the California Public Utilities Commission, I believe Planning Engineer is much to polite about their ignorance and arrogance.
I saw multiple cases where system maintenance and tree trimming funds were cut by one commission administrative law judge, saying “the people of California do need to pay for an ‘excellent’ power system when all that is needed is a ‘good’ one” while another administrative law judge penalized the utility for not providing an ‘excellent’ system for the public – in the same rate case.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by mosomoso
Planning Engineer is in the pay of Big Commonsense.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by Joshua
Planning Engineer –
==> “However what is being observed is that you need ridiculously high valuations for carbon reduction to justify significant increases in renewable generation. ”
I wonder if, in your planning expertise, you have figured into your analysis the enormous geo-political and financial resources that have been necessarily expended in the past to make fossil fuels an available resource – and whether you have projected out that expenditure of resources into the future?
Additionally, I wonder how you have accounted for any variety of negative externalities associated with using fossil fuels – say environmental impacts, health impacts, and the opportunity costs of enriching the governments of totalitarian states deny vast swaths of their citizens access to basic civil rights — as a start.
Thanks in advance for your expert analysis in response.
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Comment on Myths and realities of renewable energy by richard
If someone asks you to invest in windpower be careful.
“Indications are mounting, however, that green capitalism will not be able to meet all expectations. In courts around the country, complaints are mounting from wind park investors who haven’t received a dividend disbursement in years or whose parks went belly up”
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Comment on Ethics of communicating scientific uncertainty by climatereason
Steven
A lot of these paleo proxy reconstructions are a very coarse sieve through which the real world ships through
tonyb
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