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Comment on Week in review by climatereason

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Max

Good to have you back.

Where did I object to expensive subsidies? However there is a limit as I am sure you will agree. . It is fine for pump priming or to maintain a viable system until better days, but there comes a point where you realise that it is a wasted effort.(see subsidies of British Leyland)

Until a storage device is created-aka superior Batteries-we are unlikely to make headway as much of the renewables technology is premature and needs working on as part of a well funded CERN or Apollo type Govt project until it is ready.

Converting our largest UK power station to wood pellets sourced from America and destroying large tracts of land in our finest uplands to accommodate wind farms that work for 30% of the time benefits no one except those receiving the subsidy.

tonyb


Comment on Week in review by JCH

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<a href="http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Figures/OHCA_curve_2013.pdf" rel="nofollow">Note that this one is no longer getting linked. Lol.</a> Getting harder and harder to find graphs that end in 2008, 2011, and 2012. Current warming rate is .58C per decade, and there is no let up in sight.

Comment on Week in review by stevepostrel

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Great if it really works. Not holding my breath for it to be economic.

Comment on Week in review by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2

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R. Gates, “True., if improperly mixed, but mixed correctly and they tell us the history of the Holocene climate and the accurate perspective on our current warming period.”

What is the “proper” mix can be debated. If you are looking at precessional cycle OHC, lower SH insolation and increase glacial growth should cause a reduction. There would be a tricky trade off between the two.

CK, No I am avoiding that paper for now as mentioned in a comment I have in moderation.

Comment on Week in review by R. Gates

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“Getting harder and harder to find graphs that end in 2008, 2011, and 2012.”
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But it won’t stop the pseudoscientists from looking for them or creating them. When that eventually reaches the limit of absurdity, they claim the data has been heavily corrupted by the vast climate warmist conspiracy.

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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It was easy to see that the railroad would bring a large and immediate benefit. Not so with renewables.

Some here deride me because I advocate a subsidy for nuclear and not for renewables. They say I’m not “consistent.” Well, it’s true that I’m not in the sense I want a subsidy for one energy source but not others. And my rejoinder is “So what?”

The consistency argument is a fallacious one. If I rigorously apply consistency, then I would advocate that taxpayer money be spent to fund a group of scientists to develop that holy grail of energy – a perpetual motion machine. Or fund a group of chemists to discover the Philosophers Stone. We could fund any number of idjitiotic ideas, but that would be a waste of money.

The bottom line is that nations posses limited resources and those resources come at the expense of the citizens. Therefore, we must discriminate. Nuclear is a concentrated, tried and true source of baseline power. It can power mankind for thousands of years when managed properly. Wind and solar, even after a century of effort, are still just bit players.

http://solarenergy.com/power-panels/history-solar-energy

After all, our ancestors judiciously opted to build a transcontinental railroad – not a transcontinental bicycle path.

Comment on Week in review by climatereason

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jim2

It should tell us something that after 500 years of windmills, as soon as something better came along they became redundant until we started to believe that throwing money at them would somehow eliminate their problems

tonyb

Comment on Week in review by rls

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Beth

Thank you for the moment of peace. Reminded me, in a conversation with a retired seaman, his love of the sea, amplified by the stars.

Richard


Comment on Week in review by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2

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JCH, I use 0-700 meter all the time, but I do use temperature not bazillajoules.

See, it shows the “unprecedented” warming trend of around 300 years. Largest warming trend in the Holocene by golly :), at least it should be.

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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steve – I’m not sure if it will work, either, but it’s an interesting attempt. My question has to do with the same boogie-men that haunt every solar project 1) large amount of acreage needed and more importantly 2) the plant will only make fuel when the Sun shines – less than half the time.

Politically, it has going for it that it could take the waste stream of a cement or coal plant, the CO2, and utilize it to make fuel. Also, the plant can use sea water instead of scarcer and scarcer fresh water. The plant does not need bagasse or the remains of crop plants after harvest, when those can be put to better purpose. Bacteria, Sun light, CO2, and seawater – the last two are cheap. The Sunlight requires acreage.

Comment on Week in review by Dick Hertz

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Living near water has costs and benefits. Humans have in generally located themselves near water, because the benefits far outweigh the costs. If you live near the ocean, you get food and a moderated climate, you risk an occasional deadly storm If you live near a river, you get food and transport and you risk floods.

Buffalo is where it is because of the huge advantages associated with its location. One of the downsides is what is know as lake effect snow. It happens because of geography. It has a name because it happens on a regular basis. The most recent event is a big one, but should not be unexpected.

The strange thing is that humans have always had a tendency to blame themselves for these natural disasters. They have often gone to extraordinary lengths to try to please the gods to stop what we now know are natural disasters. They have built idols, sacrificed their wealth and in some cases sacrificed some of their own citizens in a vain effort to control nature. A wise person would recognize this long standing human tendency and make some effort to rise above it.

Comment on Week in review by Dick Hertz

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Lake effect snow is due to geography. It happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future. You can connect all the dots you want, but remember, seven bright stars may be a big bear or a big dipper, but in reality, they are seven random stars and they simply exist.

Comment on Week in review by AK

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<blockquote></blockquote>One of the most important things about those subsidies is what the government gave away was essentially free: land that had little value before there was a railroad nearby. Let's take a look at how an analogous subsidy might work: There's recently been a <a href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/hydrostor-wants-to-stash-energy-in-underwater-bags" rel="nofollow">surge of interest in underwater compressed air storage</a>. Although the technology currently envisioned <i>"will be deployed at a depth of 80 meters, and they should be able to supply about a megawatt of electricity for 3 hours or so"</i>, greater depths are feasible:<blockquote>At depths greater than 500 meters, says Garvey, “the cost of the containment becomes negligible compared with the costs of the power-conversion machinery.”</blockquote>So here's what could be done: anybody who creates a prototype underwater compressed air system can be granted a large plot of ocean bottom, for future development. To keep it (analogous to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Acts#Homestead_Act_of_1862" rel="nofollow">homesteading</a> in the 19th century US) the grantee must show progressive development of energy storage using the underwater area granted. As with the railroad subsidies, the underwater rights will only acquire value when the technology develops. Ideally, IMO, the grants should specify energy storage depending on the pressure at depth, without going into details whether they use compressed air or pumped hydro using <a href="http://www.gizmag.com/mit-offshore-wind-concrete-sphere-energy-storage/27357/" rel="nofollow">underwater spheres</a>, or any other technology. For instance, rather than spheres, smaller horizontal tubes might be cheaper per energy stored. And for compressed air, perhaps a giant cylinder/piston system with insulating capacity, so the air could be stored at the adiabatic compressed temperature (~200°C for 80 meters), rather than having to be cooled and re-heated. Such a system would be pressure-neutral, although an insulating material capable of withstanding the compressive force would be needed. With good insulation, only tiny amounts of heat would be needed to keep it hot (making up for leakage), and perhaps that heat could be gotten directly from concentrated sunlight. Such a subsidy system would cost the government almost nothing (immediately, although it would detract from later income selling off useful sea-bottom once the technology is mature). But as long as the technology is close enough to mature to attract investors, it might well be highly workable.

Comment on Week in review by A fan of *MORE* discourse

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DocMartyn  “[abusively mocks Pope Francis' moral worldview]“

LoL … it’s mighty imprudent, DocMartyn, for anyone to discount Pope Francis’ moral worldview … or its powerful female advocates!

“Time and trouble will tame an advanced young woman, but an advanced old woman is uncontrollable by any earthly force” (Dorothy Sayers)

Ursula K. LeGuin
Accepted Lifetime Achievement Award
From Neil Gaiman Last Night;
Can Still Give a Speech
Like No One’s Business

Books aren’t just commodities; the profit motive is often in conflict with the aims of art.

We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable – but then, so did the divine right of kings.

Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art.

Salut et fraternité … from FOMD to all Climate Etc readers!

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Comment on Week in review by brent

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Let’s hope they haven’t bitten off more than they can chew regarding regime change:

Lavrov accuses West of seeking ‘regime change’ in Russia

(Reuters) – Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the West on Saturday of trying to use sanctions imposed on Moscow in the Ukraine crisis to seek “regime change” in Russia.
His comments stepped up Moscow’s war of words with the United States and the European Union in their worst diplomatic standoff since the Cold War ended.
“As for the concept behind to the use of coercive measures, the West is making clear it does not want to force Russia to change policy but wants to secure regime change,” Tass news agency quoted Lavrov as telling a meeting of the advisory Foreign and Defense Policy Council in Moscow.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/22/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKCN0J609G20141122


Comment on Week in review by Al Bedo

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Real science can connect the dots, pseudoscience writes it off as “natural variability”.

Occam’s razor slices many climate delusions to shred’s with natural variability.

CO2 is increasing and is likely causing warming, but the orbit, shape, rotation and orientation of mountains and oceans of earth determine most climate aspects, and those factors aren’t changing much at all.

Comment on Week in review by steven

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“The comparison suggests that Pacific OHC was substantially higher during most of the Holocene than in the past decade (200 to 2010), with the exception of the LIA.”

So Gates and JCH are skeptics now?

Comment on Week in review by steven

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200 should of course be 2000. My typo not their’s.

Comment on Week in review by rls

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Fan

“Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course, none of us are greedy, it’s only the other fellow who’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.”
― Milton Friedman

Keep warm,

Richard

Comment on Week in review by Matthew R Marler

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Jim D: You could get their changes even without increased evaporation, if more heavy enough rain events are interspersed with compensating dry periods,

I don’t think you can get more total lighting without more total energy flow in the rain-making system, and I don’t think you can get more total energy flow in the rain-making system without more evaporation, since that it how the energy transport occurs.

Assuming that water mass and energy are conserved throghout the evapotranspiration – cloud formation -rainfall process, it is hard to come up with an explanation how (R x Camp) can increase 12% without a correspondingly large increase in the evapotranspiration energy transfer rate.

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