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Comment on Miskolczi discussion thread by Mike Flynn

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A Lacis,

I wonder if you could point me to experimental verification of the seemingly outlandish notion that surrounding an object with CO2 causes its temperature to rise?

So called climate scientists seem to be endlessly preoccupied with divining the future, with little to no apparent success to date. It might appear to an outsider that multi million computers and multi million dollar research grants provide as much assistance as chicken entrails or used tea leaves do, in relation to ascertaining the future.

I cannot see any demonstrated benefit accruing to mankind from studying the average of weather, which study seems to be restricted to the temperature parameter in any case. You may be able to indicate some breakthroughs in climate research, or even point to the achievements of individual towering intellects in the field. I see none to date.

On the other hand, a tried and true Warmist tactic is to merely apply a belittling label – denier, crackpot, delayer, and so on – to anyone who asks you to back up your bizarre unsubstantiated assertions with a modicum of fact. This tactic is proving less and less effective, as economic circumstances are forcing governments to consider the relative disbursement of ever scarcer funds between the war on climate change, the war on terror, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, and so on.

The prospect of starving in terror in the dark, whilst climatologists rub their hands with glee at their latest multi billion dollar computer acquisition, is unlikely to enthuse the general public who provide your funding.

Don’t you think the hand that feeds you deserves to be treated with respect rather than disdain?

Live well and prosper,

Mike Flynn.


Comment on Week in review by kim

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I’m gonna charge admission to this discussion. This way to the regrets.
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Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by AK

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AK, Ah yes, I met a guy over ten years ago who was building steel houses.

Well, a century or more ago, railroad tracks kept getting torn up for iron for blacksmiths. Today, that’s not a cottage industry, but who knows?

Anyway, who cares? The micro-ecosystems that grow up around abandoned buildings, railroad tracks, pipelines, and other such are just as interesting, and foster just as much genetic diversity, as without. Probably more.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Mike Jonas

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Jim D.
1. We know that if Keystone doesn’t go ahead, the stuff gets sold to China. CO2-wise, it’s a wash.
2. “Business as usual” doesn’t mean selling yesterday’s products tomorrow. There’s still progress.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by vukcevic

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With all available facts we should dispute the science we disagree with, but to seek to silence it is immoral.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Jim D

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AK, you are not being consistent with the “we don’t know” way of thinking. By that, increasing CO2 may or may not be dangerous. Your way of thinking is more in the denial of any danger camp that has this more reckless attitude towards increasing atmospheric CO2 levels.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Danley Wolfe

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I mentioned in my opinion the biggest factor is eliminating rail transport. If one life is saved or property damage avoided by eliminating a rail incident vs. pipeline then it makes the case. What is the value of human life. The IPCC is good at using cost/benefit of lives saved aren’t they?

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by curryja

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I don’t know, but I suspect that it is not as large as it should be


Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by curryja

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good idea, i’ll put a link to my ‘about’ page over at Mrs. Green’s

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by AK

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AK, you are not being consistent with the “we don’t know” way of thinking.

Oh yes I am! We also don’t know the effects of stifling the Industrial Revolution. But we can make a pretty good guess…

And it’s definitely not pretty! Except to socialists who are using the whole climate thing as a stalking horse.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by charles the moderator

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The Numbers

Mrs. Green’s World website
3,600 visitors/month
7,358 average page views/month

Mrs. Green’s World eNewsletter
3,620 opt-in subscribers*

Mrs. Green’s World Podcast Downloads
3,669 avg downloads/month*

Mrs. Green’s World on Facebook
4,351 fans*

Mrs. Green’s World on Twitter
2,665 followers*

* (as of 06/30/14)

From her advertising solicitation page.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Jim D

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Mike, delaying Keystone really does delay things very effectively, and maybe China will have time to think about it a little more too. They are embarrassed by their pollution already, so it is not a given that they will accept the Canadian gunk.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Danny Thomas

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Yesterday’s weather is a present threat? I REALLY need your assistance understanding that one.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by RiHo08

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Ms. Green wants: sound bites, snippets, twitter tease.
Judith Curry: if you are confused, you should be. We’ve over-simplified the problem and its solutions. How can we have decision making under deep uncertainty. We need to focus on weather (and short term adaptation) and addressing our vulnerability.

There you have it folks. Ms. Green says she wants us to think, yet she seeks sound bites, snippets, and twitter tease; the very instruments of superficial thinking. Strictly radio entertainment.

The question is: how does one advance the discussion (Rob Ellison’s query regarding meaningful discussion of the science), and how does one engage a broad audience?

Now, if you are my near 40 year old children, then, the discussion of climate change not only is not interesting, their minds are kinda made up on CO2 emissions and a warming world; emissions are bad, global warming is just around the corner. Yet, they behave in ways to recycle more, use less resources, buy locally and then buy a BMW for reasons of convenience and expediency, because they can! I give up.

It (climate change and all its iterations) comes down to intellectual theoretical rationalizations, and a practical world in which to live.

Our kids inherit a world better than what we found, and such a world exorbitantly moves the needle closer to improved living standards. Now, we just have to have my children acknowledge that the rest of the world needs the energy resources they currently enjoy which includes fossil fuels and nuclear energy.

I guess that when you have young children running around your house and needing your attention, the big picture devolves into the situation of the immediacy.

Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by Jim D

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AK, stifling the Industrial Revolution. LOL. Great stuff. How about a new green energy revolution replacing the black energy revolution. New industries, widespread energy generation and profits in more hands, etc. Not tomorrow, but a few decades for now. Time for old energy to move over the way the horse and cart went, and make way for the new energy and fuels that also are better for the planet.


Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by charles the moderator

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It is an easy prediction that her numbers will noticeably improve this month, just from her site having a link here.

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Comment on My interview with Mrs. Green by KenW

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Great comic. Treasure it. A thousand blog words could never convey so much.

Comment on Miskolczi discussion thread by eadler2

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@Capt. Dallas,
“Given the complexity of the system 0.6Wm-2 isn’t a particularly remarkable imbalance. But if it is proof of some sort, you won’t find it, evidence though is a different issue.”
Usually the word assumption implies a level of rigor, rather than just some evidence. What this amounts to is an assumption that clouds are a negative feedback to temperature.

The evidence in the climate literature is mixed on whether cloud formation is a positive or negative feedback based on observations. Some would argue that the best correspondence between models and data is for positive feedbacks.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/01/a-bit-more-sensitive/

Given the controversy over this question, it seems the Miskolczi is making an unwarranted assumption.

Comment on Miskolczi discussion thread by eadler2

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Currently models do not calculate clouds from first principles. They take data from observations and put parameters in the models that best fit the data.

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