> … not the actions of random madmen …
Nope
The actions of random madmen have specifically blocked public satire on Sharia law through fear of violent retaliation (one of Montford’s points above)
The intense degree of this is *NOT* reflected in the climate wars
I didn’t read the articles, but titles are quite revealing. I live in Europe, and I noticed there are laws I find quite restrictive of free speech rights. They are so repressive I prefer not to discuss the subject in too much detail. I may not end up arrested but I could get my visa suspended and find myself back in Texas.
Jim D, I actually thought your narrative was pretty good, as you are capabable of doing, considering the controversial nature of this discussion. I also agree with Michael that trivializing mass murder is dangerous ground. I just don’t know if it rises to that level. I limited my comment being cognizant of that.
I stand on the shoulders of giants. Is there any other way to roll? You should try it over a long time of old fashioned inquiry into the nature of nature, art and society – Joshua – rather than skulking in the weeds.
You can’t empathize with those who have a sense of self, joshie. Nor are you qualified to judge them. Your smuggy smarminess knows no bounds.
curryja wrote: “The threads are back, btw.”
Is the original “Slaying a Greenhouse Dragon” thread back?
Is there another link than the following one?
http://judithcurry.com/2011/01/31/slaying-a-greenhouse-dragon/
If you don’t come from a culture of satirical cartoons then you cannot understand either the politics or the humor.
just spotted two that were still private; these are now both back also
Sorry Faustino, but you are misrepresenting the situation
The Aus (and O’Neill) are predictably full of grandiose rhetoric about freedom of press/speech and the core values of society blah and blah, but it will NOT publish any consistent satirical comment on Sharia law – due to the fear of violent retaliation
When this occurs, it is more than evident that terrorism de facto works
You demand a world in which freedom is given and not won every day with courage, fortitude, sacrifice and resolve?
Why is this generation so soft?
Joshua, as expected from your track record, you fail the requested test.
And I am quite certain Rob, Willis, and myself would disagree on a lot, and agree on a lot. We already have, both ways. But the parry and thrust of debated data would be educational to all, including us.
To which debate you would apparently have little to contribute. Since here almost never have previously.
“Threats to free speech derive from powerful institutions of the state and not the actions of random madmen.”
May I ask who murdered Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy?
As content of speech seems to be the determinant of what is allowed given a specific employment setting, I wonder about warming activists in the US EPA who are members of Greenpeace, World Wildlife Federation, Environmental Defense Council, etc and their job description is one that participates in the rule making process and regulation enforcement for greenhouse gas emissions. What is said in public regarding their views, even with the caveat of speaking as an individual and not as a missionary of the EPA, does this rise to the level of conflict of interest or an illustration of free speech in a setting of government authority?
Likely the warmest position in this EPA is secure as it follows the consensus view. Anyone want to guess as to what may happen to a skeptic? Surely not a team player. A disruptive and disagreeable person who should find employment elsewhere. A situation where a government worker can be fired for “cause.”
Tanks Judith. It’s nice to know that we can now refer back to them.
He was takin’ it to ‘em.
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We have this:
“To be consistent, we must apply the same moral standards to one situation that we apply to another unless we can show that the two situations differ in relevant ways.” http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/decision/consistency.html Some are saying they’re different and some are saying not so much. Looking back on my college days, some of my Profs would try to relate current events to the course contents. I enjoyed that, the opportunity to apply what we were learning to some things in the real world. Seeing relationships and building frameworks, not a bunch of compartmentalized things.
Heh. Like Charlie Hebdo, Judith knows that her opponents read what she writes because they regard her as a threat to their vision of the world and their grand desires ‘for the world’.
Bamboos all rattle together, but Mosomoso thinks for himself.
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DocMartyn, you are right. And yet mad-murderous beliefs are not born in isolation.
Some (but not all) Climate Etc readers will know the name “Medgar Evers” from Bob Dylan’s song Only a Pawn in Their Game (beginning minute 3:20).
Perhaps fewer Climate Etc will have visited the web page of MIT philosopher linguist Norvin Richards, which hosts a celebrated short story by Eudora Welty — written in a single day upon hearing the news of Ever’s assassination and titled Where Is the Voice Coming From? — that (like Dylan’s song) examines the cognition of Evers’ assassin.
Conclusion In susceptible individuals, demagoguery acts to poison reason and incite homicide.
- She notes that Muslim societies were examples of tolerance in the 16th century even as she argues that Islam is inherently intolerant.-
Comparatively, tolerate 500 year ago.
It was empire was which was, say, quite unlike the Soviet Union’s empire.
Or quite unlike current China.
One could say it was similar to the Anglosphere:
“Anglosphere refers to a set of English-speaking nations with a similar cultural heritage, based upon populations originating from the nations of the British Isles (England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland), and which today maintain close political and military cooperation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere
And of course it was Turkish in terms of leadership. And then Russia went to war with it:
“The outcome of the Russo-Turkish War of 1768–1774 was disastrous for the Ottomans. Large territories, including those with large Muslim populations, such as Crimea, were lost to the Russian Empire.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate
Of course no where on Earth was very tolerate 500 years ago- or the guests said, we have move on since that time. Age Enlightenment, Reformation, American Independence, and etc.
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