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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by ...and Then There's Physics

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fizzy,

Well, that’s complicated right now. But I have lots of publications and I have done lots of refereeing and it’s hard to believe things have changed that much in just a few years.

Well, then my guess was wrong. Let’s clarify something then. Picking something up at the referee stage can certainly stop something being published that is clearly wrong. Once it’s out there, however, it’s not that simple. I’m currently involved in a semi-dispute where I think the other work essentially violates energy conservation. However, it is sufficiently complex that it’s not as straightforward to illustrate as one might hope. Additionally, their result is interesting, and my correction makes it boring. So, it’s not as easy – as you might hope – to get something that you regard as wrong, rejected by the community. In my view, that is almost how it should be. It shouldn’t be easy. So, you think Mann’s work is clearly wrong. Not everyone agrees. That’s called science.


Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by kim

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Come gather round children lest fear rule the day.
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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by nutso fasst

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The LATimes refuses to publish <i>letters</i> that oppose the so-called consensus. Contrary comments still appear online.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by kim

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er, ‘miraculous’ editor.
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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Willard

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by kim

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Off to the Palace, to confess, and kowtow.
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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Al Bedo

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Do you know by any chance why NG’s categorized as a lukewarmer at Tony’s?

Maybe he actually looks at the data?

IPCC AR4 high scenario: 4.0 K/century
IPCC AR4 low scenario: 1.8 K/century
Range of global observations: 0.5 to 1.6 K/century.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by kim

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The bitter ones at DotEarth during 2008 called it DotKim, resentful of Andy’s light moderation of me. I can only remember four or five instances of him deleting my comments. His was about the only media outlet allowing dissent at the time, and for him and his forum I was and am very grateful. I quit there when the Times started requiring registration, but wmar was by then saying everything I could say and more lucidly.

Check out the last comment on his epic AGU thread from January of 2008. It’s long been about the water and cloud feedbacks.
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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by ROM

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“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

— George Orwell

Comment on Taking Melbourne’s temperature by john321s

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A pretty good indication of 20th-century UHI development in Melbourne is provided by comparing its time-series of yearly average temperatures with the aggregate average of those at three stations that bracket its location: Cape Otway, Maryborough and Wilsons Promontory. It’s becomes plain as day that over the last century Melbourne has warmed by more than a degree Celsius relative to the surrounding non-urban stations. The more-proximate Laverton Aero station confirms this stark discrepancy, but over a shorter time-interval.

This is very typical of discrepancies world-wide between major cities and non-urban stations, when the latter are available. Particularly striking is the strong divergence in the 1960s and 1970s, when there was world-wide cooling at the same time that large cities were growing rapidly and intensifiyng their UHI.

Alas, in many large regions of the world, there are virtually no century-long records available at non-urban locations. UHI-corrupted records are often illegitimately used as indicators of “regional temperature trends.” Highly inconsistent development of UHI in various cities on various continents prevents any reliable universal correction. Thus “global temperature” indices are edifices constructed on shifting foundations of sand and mud.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by catweazle666

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matthewrmarler: “But in fact the estimates of “climate sensitivity” are not precisely what they were around three decades ago.”

Let’s see what the IPCC has to say, shall we Matthew?

IPCC First Assessment Report : 1.9 to 5.2°C but states “Hence the models results do not justify altering the previously accepted range of 1.5 to 4.5°C.

IPCC Second Assessment Report: 2 to 4.5 °C

IPCC Third Assessment Report: 1.5 to 4.5 °C

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report 2 to 4.5 °C

IPCC Fifth Assessment Report: 1.5°C to 4.5°C – ie right back where it started from.

Close enough for government work, methinks.

Plus, I note that AR5 has even dropped the “most likely” estimate.

I am not aware of any branch of “scientific” research ever where so much effort has been expended and the assessment of the most important parameter on which the whole structure and the ramifications thereof is based has changed so little in such a time period and still claims any level of credibility.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Mark Bofill

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Playing devil’s advocate here for a moment, I think an argument could be made by either side that decisions about CO2 emissions involve imposing will upon the other and subjugating children and grandchildren. From the AGW’er perspective, accepting significant climate sensitivity means that emissions are going to affect people. It happens that the status quo (CO2 emissions without government/policy penalty) is on one side. I don’t know that the argument would be correct, but I think a credible argument could be made.

I’m not a warmist or a progressive, and I don’t play one on T.V.. I stayed at a hotel in San Francisco once though.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Danny Thomas

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Joseph,
“Are those calling for Soon to be fired, doing it because they don’t want him to do climate change research or because they feel what he did was unethical by not revealing his funding source.”
That, I think, is an interesting question. So I googled “who is calling for willie soon to be fired” and those calling for him to be canned seemed to be aligned one direction and those in defense seem aligned in the other.
Performing this exercise, I percieve, shed zero light on the answer to your question as posed above and think there might be more than just the two suggestions you posed and there may be a third (or more) considerations.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by RiHo08

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Chris Colose

I hope your graduate studies are going well.

As many of the skeptical scientists you seem to believe are not worthy of engaging come from areas of science that pertains to climate science, if even only tangentially, you will appreciate that statements and the body of work of these climate scientists are being scrutinized from many perspectives. The baggage borne by climate science today seems to come in the form of climate science activists who dilute the pool of information that can be trusted. It doesn’t help that much of climate science initially is learned through press releases; much of of this work, when assessed by a broader community has weaknesses that would have been best caught by editors and manuscript reviewers; and the confidence in the robustness of the results should be left to others, in particular, the mathematical types.

It may seem hard to believe that someone outside of one’s studies has useful insight, but it is true. Many of the sage scientists, without much in the way of axes to grind anymore, are truly in a helping mode. When they question, sometimes out of ignorance, it is usually in the quest to understand and contribute their experience derived knowledge to the topic. Engagement helps both parties develop an improved product.


Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Willard

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> It says “If you believe that my reasons are insufficient please explain where they fail.”

There’s no need to have an alternative theory to see that yours is not the only possible one, Swood. Nobody has any commitment regarding this specific incident except you. What you put on the table is quite thin, and that speaks for itself.

If I had to sift through stolen emails, I’d start with some “thoughts for considerations” excerpted from 1999:

a. I think we need to be very careful not to be implying that everything in the peer-reviewed literature is correct–even if the processes are followed meticulously. […] Where the process seems to be being subverted, one would hope that the subscription base will lapse, the set of submissions from leading authors will diminish, or the responsible party will learn about the problems and concerns through letters and even surveys of scientists’ views about the journal and fix the situation.

b. In all of this, what we need to indicate is the strength of our efforts is the process. […] What gives the IPCC its stature is the process that it uses to get to where it gets–with a brodaly based set of authors and very wide-ranging and careful reviews involving experts from the scientific community around the world. […] However, for IPCC to clima its process leads to the most authoritative presenation of the issue, it is essential it consider not only the peer-reviewed literature, but also the various claims and perspectives of “The Skeptics”–basically, the IPCC has to be careful not to be seen as ignoring or hiding disagreements, but actually facing and explaining them. […]

c. What I think has been a bit unfortunate is that we (the scientific community) do not seem to really have an effective forum where all the various viewpoints can be published together on an ongoing basis and a really active (but civil) exchange of views can take place. […] I really think we need to find a place where these discussions can occur […]

d. If one is going to find some forum for a real exchange of views, it seems to me one challenge will be to come up with a sponsoring entity, moderator and rules that might attract both sides to it […]

e. Meanwhile, rather than think about suing someone about seeming insults, I have taken the suggestion of several people whom have been criticized before me, and have simply added to my resume, for example, that ExxonMobil sent a letter to the Bush Admin in early 2001 urging my dismissal (along with getting rid of Bob Watson from IPCC, Rosina Bierbaum from OSTP, and Jeff Miotke […]

f. That those of you being attacked are being attacked should be seen as a recognition of the importance of your work–were it not important they would be ignoring it. And if your papers are sound (as you all argue they are–and seems the case to me), the misdirected and false claims of “The Skeptics” will ultimately have no lasting effect, even if in the short term some politicians pay them too much attention and induce some short-term harm and delay. [..]

That’s from this guy:

http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/01/mikes-have-willies.html

I seldom see that email quoted. Wonder why?

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Wait. Does that email contain a refutation of your theory?

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by kim

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Heh, so we get RealClimate, and Gavin.
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Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by jim2

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Willard – maybe most people don’t have a problem with Exxon communicating with the Administration. I don’t like it and believe the corporate tax should be zero in exchange for a rule that businesses have to address Congress in public hearings if they want something from the government – laws or whatever.

Comment on Christopher Essex on suppressing scientific inquiry by Mark Bofill

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Joseph,

Murray Salby was sacked. Because he was skeptic? Obviously, the University wouldn’t have said so if it was the reason. Was it the reason? Did it have anything to do with it? Who the heck knows?

The trouble is, if the evidence you’re looking for is a case where an institution openly and explicitly states that it prevented skeptical research, you might as well be re-enacting a skit from ‘Good Morning Vietnam':

Adrian as Gomer: We found out that we can’t find them. They’re out there, and we’re having a major difficulty in finding the enemy.
Adrian: Well, what do you use to look for them?
Adrian as Gomer: Well, we ask people, ‘Are you the enemy? And whoever says yes, we shoot them. [Pause] It’s very difficult to find a Vietnamese man named Charlie. They’re all named Nyugen or Doh or things like that. It’s very difficult for me.

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