Not to mention that when an expert “consensus” is overturned, it is generally by “experts.”
Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Joshua
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Peter Lang
I’m not denying the physics. I am not persuaded it is anywhere near the whole story, and I am particularly unpersuaded that the impacts are nte damaging or that proposed mitigation policies will do mor good than harm. i believe the polices advocated by IPCC and climate alarmists (most climate scientists) will do far more harm than good.
But climate alarmists, like yourself, avoid addressing these issues. Whenever I have raised them in discussions with you, for example, you avoid, divert the discussion, and make silly, trivial, irrelevant and disengenuous comments to avoid addressing the key points. That’s why I have become more an d more convinced that CAGW is religion, not science. The advocates are ideologues and zealots, and not willing to debate seriously and honestly about what’s important.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by aplanningengineer
There are differences between hard and soft sciences, but some of the drivers are the same. Sometimes they are too close to the “science” to be objective. Scientists in related areas may see with better clarity. Scientist working on superconductors have been overly optimistic in projecting breakthroughs. Other scientists and engineers may have had more pessimism. I don’t think there is any dishonesty there or deliberate misleading to get research dollars. They are working on superconductors because they are optimistic about the technology, On the soft side virtually none of the Political scientists focused on Soviet Russia saw the fall coming. They were invested as specialist. Others within Political Science and organizatinal behavior were better positioned to pick up on the signs.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Brian G Valentine
“a net negative feedback does not imply overall cooling; only that the original impulse for warming is damped by feedbacks”
There are no “feedbacks” of anything. There is energy conservation, and the 2nd law to guarantee it, and “feedbacks” are neither of these.
Denialism! Hopeless. No known cure. Invariably fatal.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by PA
Peter Lang | May 1, 2015 at 10:41 pm |
How effective is the sunshield when the car is parked in a basement or multi level parking station, as most cars used for computing to work are during the day? :)
I used to toy with the idea of a self charging electric car. The Tesla S has the equivalent of about 8 square meters, it might have 70% pointing efficiency, with 25% efficient solar cells you are going to 8.4KWH per day.
Since the 60KWH pack has a range of 208 miles that is about 29 miles.
Interesting 235-240V and 40 Amp charger only charges at a rate of 20-25 miles per hour. 25 m/h is 7.2 KWH/H. The charger is consuming 9.4KWH/H. So 60 KWH pack charged from scratch at 8¢/KWH costs $6.27. If your car gets 30 miles to the gallon, compare your current gas cost to about 44¢/”gallon” for the Tesla S.
And no – solar panels still don’t work in the dark.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Peter Davies
There is a problem when a scientist has too much skin in the game and they become too emotionally involved to be truly objective about their results. Far too often, their narrative is driven more by ideology rather than on the results of their research, such as, for example, the narrative from the IPCC often seemingly in conflict with the underlying work that has been done.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Jim D
I read factcheck’s comments on it and that is what I commented on. Factcheck went further than the article and asked him for the sources of his statements, so in that sense it was more thorough.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Jim D
You can take a year like 1998 that was 0.3 C warmer than the trend line, and if the trend is 0.2 C per decade, you can construct a 15-year pause by starting at it, and that is what they are doing. Bad statistics and cherry picking. Without 1998, they got nuthin’. They hang their pause on it.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Jim D
Home batteries are something I have always thought has promise because if everyone had one, we could use intermittent power to charge them, and it makes renewable energy more viable without so much need of backup.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Peter Lang
PA,
Thanks for all your comments and answers, but for me I am really only interested in the economic viability. Does it meet consumers requirements and what the average cost per km with all costs included: capital, depreciation, disposal, O&M and fuel? And how do these costs compared with an equivalent conventional car?
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Ragnaar
Climate sensitivity: Analysis of feedback mechanisms. Hansen, J., A. Lacis, D. Rind, G. Russell, P. Stone, I. Fung, R. Ruedy, and J. Lerner http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha07600n.html
Not sure I am following here? The ENSO region is said to feedback with a high in the West and a low in the East helping the trade winds stack warm water. Are you saying we don’t need to consider them and simplify things?
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Brian G Valentine
ENSO is apparently an ocean circulation phenomenon to return warm water previously circulated in depth. What does it “feed back” to?
“Feed Back” to an engineer, means taking a portion of an output, to amplify an input. There is nothing in the ocean to make any “output” greater than the energy absorbed.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by PA
Well…
This is a subject that deserves some study.
AGW appears to be associated with excessive homogeneity of the scientific community and moral relativism.
Serious money should put into profiling the scientific community (in particular the climate community) to see what the demographics are.
If AGW is indeed associated with moral relativism, perhaps debarring moral relativists and members of environmental groups from participating in government funded climate studies, would resolve some of the issues.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by kneel63
The reason for the large cost of unused desal is very simple – the govt got a private contractor to build and run the plant. As part of the contractual arrangements, they get paid whether or not they actually provide water. This was a non-negotiable part of the contract and for good commercial reasons – who would invest billions on a return dependent on the weather?
Like all “public-private partnerships”, no “private” is willing to bet on political whim – the want iron-clad payment details up-front or no deal. Who’d blame them?
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Mike Kenny
AGW/climate-change is a narrative of fear, fear mongering does not know ethics,
The 21st century modern western fear narrative of Climate Change!
• Fear of weather
• Fear of rising sea levels
• Fear of droughts
• Fear of floods
• Fear of melting ice caps
• Fear of more tornadoes
• Fear of more hurricanes
• Fear of retreating glacier
• Fear of polar bear extinction
• Fear of acidic oceans
• Fear of climate refugees
H. L. Mencken
Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.
Charles Mackay 1841 Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
“Every age has its peculiar folly; some scheme, project, or phantasy into which it plunges, spurred on either by the love of gain, the necessity of excitement, or the mere force of imitation. Failing in these, it has some madness, to which it is goaded by political or religious causes, or both combined.”
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by PA
The problem here is the homogeneity of the science/journalism communities with respect to some beliefs is so bad that they are so biased they don’t know they are biased and saying biased things.
The groupthink and echo chamber effects have made it impossible for them to write from a neutral viewpoint, since they think an extremely biased viewpoint is neutral.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Mike Kenny
p.s. the fear, fight or flight response has a short half life so the fear stories must be renewed and re-imagined to keep the sheeply fleeing in the proper direction.
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Brian G Valentine
Carbon Dioxide in the air has indeed had a demonstrable influence upon the incidence of paranoid schizophrenia, and for that reason alone should be regulated
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Comment on Ethics of climate expertise by Ragnaar
Forgive me, I meant to say, ‘The ENSO region is said to feedback with a Low in the West and a High in the East helping the trade winds stack warm water.’ I was talking about its Walker Circulation:
I’d say feedback can move such large amounts of water and hold it there. As all feedbacks should do, it occasionally collapses. To me a collapse of the warm water pool indicates positive feedback preceded it.
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Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Brian H
Gag. What holes this entire analysis below the waterline is that the benefits sought are fictitious, and actually of negative value. CO2 production should be subsidized.
Prove (empirically) that wrong.
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