Quantcast
Channel: Comments for Climate Etc.
Viewing all 148687 articles
Browse latest View live

Comment on Quantifying the anthropogenic contribution to atmospheric CO2 by Ferdinand Engelbeen

$
0
0

Dear Judith,

The ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle behaves as a simple linear feedback system for disturbances, as it did over the past 800,000 years and still does

What the mass balance shows is that nature is a net sink for CO2 over the past 55 years. That is certain. 55 years more sink than source.
That implies that it is near impossible that nature is the main source of the increase in the atmosphere.

There is one and only one possibility that the natural cycle may be the main cause: that is if the natural cycle increased a fourfold in exact lockstep of timing with the fourfold increase of human emissions in the past 55 years. If it was a threefold or fivefold there wouldn’t be a fourfold increase in the atmosphere and net sink rate as is observed. Or, alternatively there was no increase in the natural cycles at all.
(I will work that out in response to Bart’s weird example)

Thus we need another observation to be sure that the natural cycle was constant or increased in lockstep with human emissions.
There are two observations which can show the difference:
– The δ13C level. Substantial increases in natural cycles would either increase the δ13C level in the atmosphere (oceans) or cause an extreme decrease in δ13C level (vegetation). Neither is observed: only a firm decrease in δ13C level in direct ratio to human emissions. Further, vegetation is a net sink for CO2, as is proven by the oxygen balance, thus not the cause of the δ13C decline.
– The residence time. Any substantial increase in any huge natural cycle would reduce the residence time of a CO2 molecule (whatever its origin) in the atmosphere. The newer calculations of residence time show that it is getting slightly longer. Thus a rather stable throughput in an increasing CO2 content of the atmosphere.

The observations show that there is no substantial increase in any of the huge natural cycles and therefore the mass balance is unambiguous that humans are the cause of the increase.


Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by beththeserf

$
0
0

I will do it thx moso. Say, I don’t suppose I can use
tinned anchovy?/

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by mosomoso

Comment on Quantifying the anthropogenic contribution to atmospheric CO2 by Ferdinand Engelbeen

$
0
0

Capt,

The Law Dome DSS ice core is a good proxy for temperature before the industrial revolution:

If you look at the period around 1600, at the depth of the LIA, the drop in CO2 was about 6 ppmv or for 8 ppmv/K the drop in temperature was ~0.8 K.
That is about what the reconstructions with the largest drop in temperature (Moberg, Esper) also show.
After 1750, the CO2 increase is more and more from agriculture and industrial emissions, thus can’t be used for temperature estimates anymore.

Opposite, the temperature increase since the depth of the LIA is maximum 0.8 K, as we may assume that the MWP was at least as warm as the current period. Thus the whole warming since the LIA is responsible for maximum 6 ppmv of the 110 ppmv extra we see today…

Comment on Is federal funding biasing climate research? by Punksta

$
0
0

Government climate scientists don’t admit to being biased. What a surprise.
Does anyone actually NEED studies to show that vested interest cannot but corrupt? Of course not – which means the burden of proof is on those who maintain that government climate research is NOT biased in favour of government.

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by waz88

$
0
0

It’s being widely reported in Australian media today that our BoM has announced a “substantial” El Nino is officially under way. It makes news here because it’s associated with the likelihood of drought, or worsening drought, depending where you happen to look. Given the great article and discussion here, I found the tone of this quote rather curious;
“This will be quite a substantial event,” said David Jones, head of climate monitoring at the bureau. “It’s not a weak one or a near miss” as in 2014, he said. “This event is perhaps running ahead of where the models had predicted.”
I hope the Anchovies win this one :-)

Comment on Quantifying the anthropogenic contribution to atmospheric CO2 by climatereason

$
0
0

Ferdinand

Your graphic seems to illustrate that whilst additional co2 may have been caused by man, that increase has had little to do with rising temperatures, which are no higher than during the 280ppm MWP.

The ice cores, by their nature have a very coarse resolution and miss out on the decadal and annual temperature variations we can observe elsewhere, which also fail to be picked up by other very coarse proxies such as tree rings.

Here is my temperature reconstruction of CET back to 1538 (Dutch reconstructions are somewhat similar)

The temperatures are all over the place. Ice cores, like other novel proxies fail to pick up short term natural variability. Incidentally, bearing in mind that polar conditions show considerable amplitude over conditions elsewhere, and that the North and South Poles are counter cyclical, why should they be considered any sort of valid temperature proxy anyway?

As a co2 measurement they may have more merit

tonyb

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by climatereason

$
0
0

waz88

I often find seaweed a more reliable weather indicator than the forecasts from the Met Office only some 15 miles away….

Mind you, their forecasts change hourly and can encompass almost every possibility sometimes.

Hmm seems a bit like climate models, if you produce enough of them ONE of them must be nearly right sometimes

tonyb


Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by beththeserf

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by Peter Davies

$
0
0

mosomoso’s treat sounds divine. Beth the tinned anchovies are too salty for this recipe.

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by beththeserf

$
0
0

Serfs don’t know nuthin. Acorn meal affects the brane …
not ter menshun the taste buds..

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by mosomoso

$
0
0

“This event is perhaps running ahead of where the models had predicted.”

Climate indicators don’t look terrific, but we can all take some comfort in the fact that David Jones and his models are predicting under-predicted tribulations. The man’s capacity to be wrong is little short of stupendous. That said, autumn westerlies and those SSTs aren’t boding well. A bloody aphid could tell that the signs aren’t too flash. David Jones predicting dire things is our main hope of better things.

I could point out that our worst winter conditions around here were in 1895, leading to late winter fires before the killer heat of 1896 (for Eastern Australia as well as Eastern US.) But talk of actual climate and of stuff that actually happened is of interest to few.

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by Peter Davies

$
0
0

Back to your original comment mosomoso. Disease? Or was it that the plankton supply had been cut off due to “climate change”?

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by mosomoso

$
0
0

This is a perfect example of why we don’t allow serfs to approach the main house and why we prefer to communicate through our bailiffs. Next they’ll be wanting beeswax candles instead of tallow – or even electricity!

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by philsalmon


Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by mosomoso

$
0
0

Peter, the official story is herpes, but why they became so vulnerable in such numbers is unknown to me. Especially in ’95 their corpses were all over the beaches. It was supposed to be the death knell for something or other, proof of man’s greed and exploitation etc…but then all the little fish came back.

It wasn’t just oxygen deprivation due to red weed, froth etc since it took in so much of the continent, including the west. But living in the bush I notice that many species have boom and bust cycles. Every seven years our cicadas are so loud people get ill from the noise. Whale beachings have been known since the beginning of settlement in Sydney. Instead of putting on the latest Goretex fashions and heading down the harbour to save the whales, the Cammeraigal aborigines feasted for days.

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by beththeserf

$
0
0

Serfs banned from the big house? Je suis desole!

Comment on ENSO and the anchovy by cerescokid

$
0
0

Fascinating and educational post. Thanks for helping me understand the dynamics involved. Thanks, also, to all who provided links and graphs so I could visualize the changes going on in the Pacific.

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Recent Energy And Environmental News – May 11th 2015 | PA Pundits - International

$
0
0

[…] Wind turbines are less effective and CO2 abatement cost is higher than assumed […]

Comment on Transmission planning: wind and solar by Recent Energy And Environmental News – May 11th 2015 | PA Pundits - International

$
0
0

[…] Wind and Solar Transmission Planning […]

Viewing all 148687 articles
Browse latest View live




Latest Images