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Comment on Deforestation in the UK by richardswarthout

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Pope Francis Encyclical is About More Than Climate Change

‘Nevertheless, Francis is clear that “the Church does not presume to settle scientific questions or to replace politics.” Everyone concerned with the values Francis highlights will need to investigate the relevant empirical facts and consider, in light of them, which policies will best promote those values.

Francis seeks “to encourage an honest and open debate so that particular interests or ideologies will not prejudice the common good.” Just so.

Now is the time to renew an honest and open debate about which policies will best serve to protect and promote a healthy ecology in all of its dimensions.’

http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/18/pope-francis-encyclical-is-about-more-than-climate-change-its-about-culture/

Richard


Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by andywest2012

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I normally do too, but with Judith on travel I thought there may be a much longer delay than usual.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Don Monfort

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May I suggest a title for your post, andy:

“The Pause Is Killing the Cause”

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by qbeamus

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“JC comment: Kahan gets it partly right – there are indeed two climate changes. But IMO he misunderstand what they are. There is human caused climate change, and then there is natural climate variability. Farmers don’t care so much about what is causing climate variability change; rather their job is to continually assess weather/climate risks to their crops and then adapt.”

I don’t think he misunderstood what the two are; it’s just that there is more than one way to divide climate change into two halves. Anthropogenic/non-anthropogenic is a fine distinction, but the one he is drawing is, I think, an important one, and one I have not seen explicitly called out before now. I’m inclined to think he’s right, but consider whether you agree.

Taken seriously, Kahan is asserting that people purport to believe things that they really do not believe, because purporting to believe in these things places one in a particular in-group. So, for example, some people might profess religious faith, and even go to church on Sunday, yet still not pray. The belief is an affectation, adopted because it defines a social group, but when push comes to shove, this person doesn’t really expect the real world to work the way they say it does.

This might explain why, for example, famous men can purport to believe they are women. That would appear to be a sufficiently verifiable fact that no one could really be confused about it, yet the phenomenon exists. Or, for those offended by my example, consider the epidemic of men in Africa purporting to have had their genitalia stolen by a witch. Obviously, scientific proof cannot change these people’s minds, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY ARE WRONG. Likewise, Kahan says, a bunch of people who purport to believe in anthropogenic global warming don’t REALLY believe it–as for example, is revealed by the fact that they do not advocate for many policies that would make sense if they really did believe it. The opposite phenomenon–people who purport not to believe in global warming but actually secretly do–certainly exists, too, though it would be harder to detect, since the free-rider problem and other such market failures would conceal their private doubts about their professed position.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Willard

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> If he was able to consciously make a succinct quote of this, then he most likely wouldn’t.

How can you claim that Dan defined the consensus (or anything, for that matter) if you can’t quote a definition, Andy?

I blame mimetics.

Comment on Deforestation in the UK by Stephen Segrest

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tonyb — What you are alluding to is a Sigmoid Curve:

For Energy Crop Plantations of fast growing trees (e.g., eucalyptus grandis, amps, cams), we want to maximize our economics per acre over time to harvest when the curve flattens out (and re-plant or let the cut trees coppice). For eucs, this is about 4 years.

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Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Steven Mosher

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mathew Now you see why Andy is published and you are not.

think harder son.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Steven Mosher

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The hilarious thing is this.

I read dmk38’s first response to Willis and reasoned.
‘this comment only makes sense if the writer is Dan”
That is called using the principle of charity.. where we try to make SENSE of a text before we criticize it.

Then I looked at the commenter name, clicked, read some other comments and concluded this comment makes sense if this is Dan’s admin name.

Willis’ reaction was just the opposite.. he responded to criticize and
contradict first.. ”

read harder comment less.

usually works

Comment on Deforestation in the UK by Fernando Leanme (@FernandoLeanme)

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Dr Curry, I haven’t done a strict analysis, but here goes a rough opinion: if every tree they burn is eventually replaced by a tree with identical carbon content the net result is negative, simply because it takes energy to cut the tree, slice it, and transport it to the end user. This approach may make some sense if it involves burning grass clippings, whereby the human labor is provided by a teenager pushing a mechanical lawnmower.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Steven Mosher

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Springer writes:

‘I think, therefore I am.

Now that we’ve completely covered ontology to all the degree it deserves in consideration of practical science and engineering, can we move along?”
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This is starting with Epistemology , U dope.
Descartes started the epistemological turn.. thats why we call it the……

CARTESIAN TURN

Comment on Deforestation in the UK by George Klein

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Judith,

It’s good that you highlight the deforestation problem in the UK as people adapt to increasing costs of energy. However, the bad news is, as you pointed out, more pollutants in the atmosphere.

This has been an ongoing problem in the Uk for at least two to three years, according to the UK press. The real question? – what happen when the wood runs out? Peat?

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA

Comment on Deforestation in the UK by Gym Rummy (@Virtuallynothin)

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Another progressive example of “missing the forest for the trees.”

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by Willard

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> If you don’t agree […]

How to reverse the burden of proof in one step.

Still no definition.

I blame memetics.


Comment on Deforestation in the UK by RiHo08

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Judith Curry,

It seems that I am in moderation and I can’t get out. Help!

Comment on Deforestation in the UK by Stephen Segrest

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Dr. Curry — I don’t know diddley of what’s going on in the UK.

But here in the U.S. — No, Commercial scale Farmers and Bio-energy Engineers are not clear cutting pristine native forests for fuel.

(1) Our feedstocks are coming either through (A) forestry management clearings of cull trees; (B) dedicated energy crop plantations (usually on marginal lands for long-term restoration efforts).

(2) Engineering applications are combined heat & power (with high efficiency) and biomass gasification for steam and power (an IGCC).

(3) Through something called co-firing, we are applying gasification technology and also direct injection of solid biomass in a boiler (reburn zone) as a low cost strategy to reduce SO2 and NOx emissions at older coal units (keeping them in air reg compliance rather than just retiring the units). I believe I read somewhere that Drax was doing this in the UK to save jobs.

(4) We spend a lot of time trying to understand and develop integration between farming and energy production (gasification) to produce biochar for its return to soils for sequestration and soil buiding (stable component of C).

(5) We believe that all Catholic Farmers doing this type of stuff should receive a special payment from the Federal Government per year of $1.472 Million because we are wonderful people.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by andywest2012

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Willard | June 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm

It’s challengable of course, but my proof is on the table. If you don’t choose to read it, fine, but you don’t get a ticket to say it is wrong.

Comment on State of the climate debate in the U.S. by Peter Lang

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PA,

Well Gee, all you’ve got are ad hominem fallacy responses.

Well, gee. We have improved a little from an economist and a biotechie.

What is your background? And what qualifications do you have to write comments on the various subjects you write on here.

Your comment displays gross hypocrisy and ignorance.

When you start with such a sill comment, I don’t bother reading the rest. So you are wasting your time responding.

Comment on Against ‘consensus’ messaging by johnfpittman

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You need only read the whole link to realize that Willis did not understand that Kahan was using 2 accounts. Regulars knew this. But Willis went flaming without asking. He and Kahan disagreed, but it is his blog.

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