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Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by scotts4sf

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tonyb
Steyn is funny and caustic. You should skim After America and America Alone by him as both go into EU and Great Britain falling under onslaught of immigration and political correctness. Funny and sarcastic.

How Steyn got started on the CAGW sarcastic comments is his reading blogs and asking what the heck is going on with temps.

Still open to your response on JoNova and Marohasy Australian temperature adjustments and the HadCru4 recent adjustments to take advantage of Karl etal and raise the baseline temps. You seem to take the Met staff at their word that adjustment to history are in the worlds best interest irrespective on the impact on the Long Slow Thaw.
Scott


Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Turbulent Eddie

Comment on The adversarial method versus Feynman integrity by harkin1

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Really don’t understand the problem with pejoratives coming from the side who hide their data, secretly seek to change peer-review processes, adjust historical temps down while adjusting current temps up and at the same time calls anyone pointing out these nefarious practices “serial climate misinformers”.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Don Monfort

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dU/dt = 0 = 0 – 240

That is what hockeypuck was taught at the University of Venus. Fisicks is a little different there. He is still adjusting. Doesn’t know which way is up, on this planet.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Anthony Watts

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Several misspellings on Mann’s last name as Michal, I’m sure you want to fix that.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by curryja

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wow Joe Romm. a really unbiased guy.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by curryja

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling

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Stein defeated the Islamists in Canada who were trying to silence any criticism of Islam using Canada’s then all powerful Human Rights Commission. Mann is small potatoes compared to them. It would be interesting to know if Canada’s Mr. Science and Environmentalism go to guy David Suzuki is still helping to pay Mann’s legal bills.


Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by foxgoose

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Are you really accusing 120 of Mann’s academic peers of “smearing” him?

Perhaps the Climate Science Defense (attack?) fund will help him to sue all the bastards :-)

Comment on Carly Fiorina hits the ‘sweet spot’ on climate change by marykaybarton

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Reblogged this on <a href="https://mkbarton711.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/carly-fiorina-hits-the-sweet-spot-on-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">citizenpoweralliance</a>.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Hifast

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Reblogged this on <a href="https://hifast.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/mark-steyns-new-book-on-michael-mann/" rel="nofollow">Climate Collections</a>.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling

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I bought Mann’s book and while I was at it I bought Tim Ball’s book too. Tim Ball is the Canadian scientist Mann is also trying to silence with legal action and last time I checked it was stalled by Mann at the British Columbia supreme level, with Mann also funded, at least in part, by David Suzuki and his minions.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by davideisenstadt

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Mosh: isn’t the real issue is the shaft of the stick consists of proxies which lack the resolution and accuracy to catch high frequency variance, like on a scale of a hundred years or so, and the blade consists of instrumental records?

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by John Sidles

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NOAS is pleased to help answer your questions TonyB.<blockquote><b><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/anomalies.php" rel="nofollow">What datasets are used in calculating the average global temperature anomaly?</a></b> Land surface temperatures are available from the Global Historical Climate Network-Monthly (GHCN-M). Sea surface temperatures are determined using the extended reconstructed sea surface temperature (ERSST) analysis. ERSST uses the most recently available <b><a href="http://icoads.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set</i> (ICOADS)</a></b> and statistical methods that allow stable reconstruction using sparse data. The monthly analysis begins January 1854, but due to very sparse data, no global averages are computed before 1880. With more observations after 1880, the signal is stronger and more consistent over time.</blockquote><b>Conclusion</b>  <b><a href="http://judithcurry.com/2015/08/13/mark-steyns-new-book-on-michael-mann/#comment-724492" rel="nofollow">All three links in the chain-of-reasoning that explains climate-change are scientifically strong.</a></b> The 20th century predictions of Michael Mann and (earlier) James Hansen and (even earlier) John von Neumann — and hundreds more climate scientists — have come true. Mark Steyn (and Judith Curry, TonyB, Anthony Watts) … it's time to look responsibly to the future … the future of accelerating anthropogenic climate-change. Pope Francis' brand of moral conservatism is entirely right to insist upon this responsibility, isn't it?

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by John Sidles

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<blockquote><b>freeHat</b> asserts "overconfidence shuts down debate"</blockquote>Even <i>more</i> effective at shutting-down debate are these elements: (1) quibbling, and (2) cherry-picking, and (3) personalization, and (4) <b><a href="http://www.drw.utexas.edu/roberts-miller/handouts/demagoguery" rel="nofollow">abusive rhetoric</a>.</b> The vast majority of working scientists <b><a href="http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/1/2.long" rel="nofollow">disregard these elements</a>.</b> And once these elements are removed, the rational skeptical case against Michael Mann and his work evaporates. Mark Steyn, it's <b><a href="http://ncronline.org/blogs/eco-catholic/political-implications-laudato-si" rel="nofollow">time for skepticism to grow up</a>.</b>

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.3

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John, Most of science seems to be about the art of quibbling. Science cannot advance without finding some technical nits that could be improved upon. How many significant digits are there in the speed of light again? Cherry picking is used to highlight nits.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by jim2

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From John’s “abusive rhetoric” … take a look at the emphasized sentence. From this one sentence alone, one can see the author lives in la-la land. It’s BS.

Characteristics of Demagoguery

By Trish Roberts-Miller


Demagoguery is a discourse that promises stability, certainty, and escape from the responsibilities of rhetoric through framing public policy in terms of the degree to which and means by which (not whether) the outgroup should be punished for the current problems of the ingroup. Public debate largely concerns three stases: group identity (who is in the ingroup, what signifies outgroup membership, and how loyal rhetors are to the ingroup); need (usually framed in terms of how evil the outgroup is); what level of punishment to enact against the outgroup (restriction of rights to extermination).

Demagoguery is always polarizing, and always relies on binaries. It is not distinguished by emotionalism or populism, not only because lots of very good and helpful methods of deliberation are emotional and populist, but because it is often not emotional at all, and quite often elite discourse. Demagoguery can look “rational” in that it can provide a lot of data, numbers, assertions, and even analyses (as in Grant’s Passing of the Great Race, or Laughlin’s report for the 1924 Immigration Act).

It has certain characteristics:

Binary paired terms. A concept described by Chaim Perelman, paired terms are sets of binaries that are assumed to describe a logical relationship. So, for instance, a common set of paired terms in demagoguery is:

Thus, one either punishes or rewards others. To punish others is strong and manly; to reward them is weak and girly.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Ron Graf

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Michael, I think it’s clear that your aim here is to try to find fault any way you can for the sake of “the cause.” What Dr. Curry has done, in my opinion, is to voice her dissent with the bending and breaking the rules of scientific behavior in her field. She has had the courage to do so in the face of ferociously political group who have established their identities as champions of social justice. Unfortunately, some of them are scientists. Climate justice does not help to validate models or correlate temperature proxies. I see Dr. Curry communicating in exemplary fashion and promoting civil discussion. But, if you want to attack her as a scalawag, or whatever, you can feel safe to do so here on her blog. That should say something.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by jim2

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The problem with the “abusive rhetoric” article is that it does not comport with experience. What we learn from our first hand experience is sometimes referred to as “common sense.” We on this board have in most case decades of experience with others. Almost no one I know approaches others with a punish/reward dichotomy. I can say there are very few commentators and posters on this blog that are that way. Dr. Curry, as a prime example, believe ACO2 does have an impact on climate. So do I and so do many other skeptics. That’s not a dichotomy.

The arguments found here fall all over the spectrum.

Thus, the “abusive rhetoric” article is based on a false premise, i.e. it’s BS.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Steven Mosher

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The bigger story line is this

Mann sued Styne and of course will claim damage to his reputation.

Styne can argue.. your Peers didnt think much of you anyway
here’s the proof.

mann might argue that his HS was settled science.
Styne can argue.. your peers didnt think so

so the context doesnt really matter that much.

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