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Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Mike Smith

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Wait a minute Judith… Mark Steyn has published a book in order to help defray his legal costs defending a suit brought by Mann. Sure, he’s filed a counter-suit too which is pretty common in such situations.

Under what legal theory should the success of Steyn’s book diminish any damages awarded against Mann?

If Steyn can show he suffered damages, he’s entitled to compensation. The fact that he was able to derive some revenue from the pursuit of his normal occupation (as a writer) should have no bearing on the amount awarded.

I think and hope you are mistaken.


Comment on ‘Climate culture’ versus ‘knowing disbelief’ by Curious George

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Maybe Dr. Joseph Goebbels was a great psychologist.

Comment on ‘Climate culture’ versus ‘knowing disbelief’ by andywest2012

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See from the paragraph starting: ‘Now this result may seem intuitive to some readers, perhaps even blindingly obvious…’

Comment on ‘Climate culture’ versus ‘knowing disbelief’ by Fernando Leanme (@FernandoLeanme)

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Case study: I’m ex GOP, but I voted democrat for the first time in 2000. Mostly because I don’t like presidential relatives running for office, and because Bush was giving me pretty bad vibes. I ran into the global warming issue working on arctic projects, the data showed ice cover and thickness reductions, so it was easy for me to go along with the global warming mainstream. Later I started noticing exaggerations and distortions on the part of the media, so I started looking at data and I became convinced the problem was overstated and the proposed solutions were pretty useless. I also find the politics are much more polarized in the anglosphere, and Europeans have a tendency to discuss this issue once in a blue moon.

Comment on ‘Climate culture’ versus ‘knowing disbelief’ by andywest2012

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The problem with other countries is that there seems to be far fewer polls and also they are typically less segmented. Even in the US, some segments very rarely feature (the intersect of higher educated Independents with climate change attitudes being a case in point). With less material and lesser resolution to work with, it’s harder to see what is happening elsewhere, although I’ve not had a serious attempt yet.

Comment on The adversarial method versus Feynman integrity by verytallguy

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“Disinformer”?

Libel?

Be serious, Don. I expect better of you.

Comment on ‘Climate culture’ versus ‘knowing disbelief’ by Danny Thomas

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I’d presumed this to be the case based on the difficulty obtaining satisfactory sources for the U.S., but figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask.

Will look forward to others located elsewhere chiming in hoping for appropriate self filtering.

Thank you again for this contribution!

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Turbulent Eddie

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What paleoclimate temperature reconstructions are acceptable to use for the purpose of trying to estimate climate sensitivity over the Holocene?

None of them?

Seriously, paleo proxy data immediately increases uncertainties.
We don’t seem to be very good at estimating temperatures, even with thermometers in place and satellites orbiting ( witness all the ‘corrections’ ).

But a big problem with tree ring data is that trees respond to their environment. All biological proxies suffer from this. It would seem best to exclude biologicals.

And remember, the problem with the Hockey Stick graph is not what the temperature record was, it was that the tree ring proxy didn’t cooperate near the end because the tree ring data indicated a decline, which had to be hidden.


Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by ...and Then There's Physics

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Either you and I have different interpretations of the meanings of words in a particular order, or he made the comparison more than once, or this quote in this <a href="http://spectator.org/articles/58774/gospel-according-mark-steyn" rel="nofollow">American Spectator article</a> is wrong <blockquote> [Mann] could be said to be the Jerry Sandusky of climate science, except that instead of molesting children, he has molested and tortured data in the service of politicized science that could have dire economic consequences for the nation and planet. </blockquote>

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Turbulent Eddie

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You miss the point, which is not whether or not there was warming.

The point is that the recent decades of tree ring data indicated cooling, not warming. That was the decline to be hidden:

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Richard Arrett

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All very true. Still the Mann case does provide plenty of entertainment. And it is fun for lawyers like myself to read all the other non-lawyers commentary. Most non-lawyers don’t seem to understand that the DC anti-slapp law that the motion to dismiss was based on required the Judge(s) to presume that every assertion in the complaint was true. I hope the appeal is decided soon so we can if all the non-Steyn defendants are dismissed (or not) and get on with discovery. A deposition of Mann is what we are all waiting for!

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Richard Arrett

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Turbulent Eddie

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<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/309442/football-and-hockey-mark-steyn" rel="nofollow">The original article</a>. <i>In the wake of Louis Freeh’s report on Penn State’s complicity in serial rape, Rand Simberg writes of Unhappy Valley’s other scandal: "I’m referring to another cover up and whitewash that occurred there two years ago, before we learned how rotten and corrupt the culture at the university was. But now that we know how bad it was, perhaps it’s time that we revisit the Michael Mann affair, particularly given how much we’ve also learned about his and others’ hockey-stick deceptions since. Mann could be said to be the Jerry Sandusky of climate science, except that instead of molesting children, he has molested and tortured data in the service of politicized science that could have dire economic consequences for the nation and planet." Not sure I’d have extended that metaphor all the way into the locker-room showers with quite the zeal Mr Simberg does, but he has a point. <b>Michael Mann was the man behind the fraudulent climate-change “hockey-stick” graph, the very ringmaster of the tree-ring circus</b>. And, when the East Anglia emails came out, Penn State felt obliged to “investigate” Professor Mann. Graham Spanier, the Penn State president forced to resign over Sandusky, was the same cove who investigated Mann. And, as with Sandusky and Paterno, the college declined to find one of its star names guilty of any wrongdoing. If an institution is prepared to cover up systemic statutory rape of minors, what won’t it cover up? Whether or not he’s “the Jerry Sandusky of climate change”, he remains the Michael Mann of climate change, in part because his “investigation” by a deeply corrupt administration was a joke.</i> It would seem to me the Muller, McIntyre, and many others who actually looked at the data demonstrate the fraudulent nature of the chart, but lawyers and judges don't necessarily understand these things the same way.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Richard Arrett

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That was a quote of Rand Simberg – one of the other defendants.

Steyn – in quoting Simberg said:

“Not sure I’d have extended that metaphor all the way into the locker-room showers with quite the zeal Mr. Simberg does, but he has a point. Michael Mann was the man behind the fraudulent climate-change “hockey-stick” graph, the very ringmaster of the tree-ring circus. And, when the East Anglia emails came out, Penn State felt obliged to “investigate” Professor Mann.…

If an institution is prepared to cover up systemic statutory rape of minors, what won’t it cover up? Whether or not he’s “the Jerry Sandusky of climate change”, he remains the Michael Mann of climate change, in part because his “investigation” by a deeply corrupt administration was a joke.”

So you are talking about something someone else said (Simberg) not what Steyn said. I think you are confused.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Richard Arrett

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Yes – I am sure Mann does deeply regret having sued Steyn.

However Steyn will never apologize and is looking forward to his day in court.

I predict Steyn will win and Mann will lose.


Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by ...and Then There's Physics

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Okay, I stand corrected. I didn’t read the preceding paragraph carefully enough.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Richard Arrett

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Especially an opinion writer.

I personally don’t think an opinion writer needs to worry about whether their opinion piece makes the job of people who want to criticize Mann harder or not.

But you are certainly entitled to your opinion also.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by verdeviewer

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Quoting criticism by someone who advocates strangulation of those who disagree with him says more about the quoter than the subject of the criticism.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Don Monfort

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This is the meaningful part of the jab at Mann, kenny: “he has molested and tortured data in the service of politicized science “.

He wasn’t accused of molesting children. That would have been libel. Try to catch up.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Don Monfort

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You are no doubt correct. Maybe she was going for humor, Mike.

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