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Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by physicistdave

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AK wrote to me:
>Well, there are some pretty cracked pots with PhD’s, which is why I don’t regard them. However the links I found above show that his work was considered valuable by the general medical community.

That may be true: have you seen any signs that his work is valued among physicists?

I have a close family member who is a physician, and I have therefore had a chance to interact with a lot of physicians: most of them, I have found, have forgotten much even of their high-school math and physics — i.e., they are not in a position to judge work in physics, any more than I am in a position to judge work in molecular biology.

And FYI, the “Guenther Laukien Prize” is awarded by a relatively small (~6,000 enployees) private company, the Bruker Corporation, to honor the company’s founder, using whatever criteria suit their fancy.

I could, were I so inclined, fund a “Feynman Memorial Prize” to honor my mentor in physics, and be as arbitrary in awarding that prize as I chose: I can even afford to hand out the amount of money our friend received.

It is unwise to be impressed by that sort of thing.

There are in fact various social and professional circles in which the “in-crowd” award each other prizes because it looks nice on the resume. Meaningless. But it fools a surprising number of people.

Dave


Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by physicistdave

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The game is over, John. People know you for what you are.

Comment on Industry funding: witch hunts by evanmjones

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Any comment on the new and improved surface station findings. (I also had a crazy aunt, come to think of it.)

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Danley Wolfe

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re: “Scientists say about 1/5 of California’s drought is due to climate change.” The paper reference at the link is a paper in Geophysical Research Letters, abstract saying, “…Precipitation is the primary driver of drought variability but anthropogenic warming is estimated to have accounted for 8–27% of the observed drought anomaly in 2012–2014 and 5–18% in 2014. Although natural variability dominates, anthropogenic warming has substantially increased the overall likelihood of extreme California droughts.” I did not read the paper (paywall locked), but I am very curious where the “estimated anthropogenic warming.” Obviously it is models, but what assumptions, IPCC AR5 conclusions on AGW attribution and climate sensitivities?

Comment on Industry funding: witch hunts by Geoff Sherrington

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Professor Curry is a scientist and by her achievements, recognised as a good scientist. I am retired from a career as a scientist.
The language used by scientists in communicating at a professional level is somewhat abrupt, usually devoid of humour and crafted to be accurate. One aim of science is to seek greater understanding of a topic.
When a topic is floated on Climate Etc., there is a plausible expectation that some science will be advanced by the responses. Mostly, this is not happening.
I have read the 509 comments to date on this blog. In summary, they appear as light banter or gossip, with a large sprinkling of statements made by others in times gone by. I was unable to see an advance of the science of the theme, which asked why there is ” …a remarkable and disturbing story playing out in the biotechnology academic community over industry funding related to genetically modified food.”
The said biotechnology academic community appears to me to be suffering a response similar to that I have just described about the responses to this blog. Serious matters of science are not being discussed in the right proportion to their scientific weight; instead, the voices are about personalities, imagined motivations, invented courses of action about players and so on. There is more talk about the people of science than about the science.
Can we work towards a better balance in future, please? As an occasional reader, I am not bothered about the people of science (and their companions in media and universities). I am bothered to restore honesty in science. There has been too much dishonesty in climate science and this detrimental tendency appears to be spreading to GM science.
One might hope that contributors to Climate Etc. will write not to see their names in print time after time but will write relevant words in the proper spirit of advancement of the science.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by JCH

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<a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=86184" rel="nofollow">which correlates well with the cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), which has been underway for much of the past 15 to 20 years.</a> Finally, while I would argue it is longer than 20 years, an acknowledgment that the PDO has actually been working in a way that reduces the GMST for a long time. Eventually this is going to work its way into CS papers. 110% will not cover this.

Comment on Industry funding: witch hunts by PA

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Michael | August 20, 2015 at 7:05 am |
Peter,

Read this again;
“This episode illustrates how a potentially legitimate FOIA request can get twisted by the media with amplifying effects of twitter that serve to confuse the public and damage the reputation of the scientists. In hindsight, the way the Climategate emails was rolled out, after very careful scrutiny by the targeted bloggers, was handled pretty responsibly….”

And them comes the miseading ‘quote’.

Is this a deliberate attempt at humor?

Exact quotes eh?
“From: Phil Jones
To: Tom Wigley
Subject: Re: FOIA
Date: Fri Jan 21 15:20:06 2005
Cc: Ben Santer

I wouldn’t worry about the code. If FOIA does ever get used by anyone, there is also IPR to consider as well. Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them. I’ll be passing any requests onto the person at UEA who has been given a post to deal with them.

Cheers
Phil

At 14:35 21/01/2005, Tom Wigley wrote:

Phil,
Thanks for the quick reply.
The leaflet appeared so general, but it was prepared by UEA so they may have simplified things. From their wording, computer code would be covered by the FOIA. My concern was if Sarah is/was still employed by UEA. I guess she could claim that she had only written one tenth of the code and release every tenth line.”…

These are fundamentally dishonest people. Any work product they produce cannot be trusted and they should not receive any future funds from the US government.

They should be cheerfully complying with the law by dispensing their code and data – paid for with taxpayer money – with enthusiasm to anyone who asks.

Disappointingly, that is not the attitude displayed.

And yes, much of the CRU funding comes from the US government:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/18/doe-funding-for-cru-placed-on-hold/

Wonderful irony, no?

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by davideisenstadt

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John the only type of sentence that warrants having Feyman and someone like Oreskes, Mann, or Hansen in it is one like “Oreskes certainly isn’t in Feyman’s league”
or something to that effect.


Comment on Industry funding: witch hunts by Michael

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Inded it is “la-la lnd” jm.

That any one could take Steyn’s little foray indicates a serious lack of scepticism amongst the ‘skeptics’.

Here you have a guy who has poistioned himself as a free-speech crusader, often in a battle against the ‘PC’ types, coming out clutching his pearls about “aunt judy” .

It was pure cant, as evidenced by his return to normal programming with the gay slurs.

Comment on Mark Steyn’s new book on Michael Mann by Punksta

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I asked how robust energy budget data was.

You didn’t answer.

And tried to cover up your question-ducking with a load of unrelated cheerleading drivel.

Says it all.

If the data was robust, the debate would be over. The debate isn’t over, John, precisely because the radiation budget data is NOT robust.

Why don’t you drop the cheefleading and instead start tryng to think ?

Comment on Industry funding and bias by Punksta

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It’s not how science is SUPPOSED to work, no. But only the deeply naive can think this actually happens in cases where the funder has a vested interest in the outcome though.

And from Climategate and the official coverups of it run by the implicated universities themselves, to exonerate themselves, we have a pretty good idea of how corrupt climate science is.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by jorgietom

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Geoff Sherrington’s request above to stick to the science prompts me to make my own request of Steven Mosher. Steven, I seem to recall you mentioning that BEST was considering a blog where only cordial behavior would be permitted. You said you would ban your current self since your current self sees blogging as “theater”. (I thought that was funny). A cordial-only site would be quite helpful to a layman like me (I do financial modeling and investment analysis) who is looking to delve deeper. I notice that when I’m presented with evidence that challenges my current beliefs, I often have an emotional response to reject the new data. Then, the theater atmosphere of the blogs further fires my emotion and entices me to band with my “tribe” and do battle. I’d think my response was embarrassing (and I do try to control it), but after reading a few articles linked by Dr. Curry (which I wish I’d saved), my current thinking is that humans naturally tend to respond with emotion and even anger when their belief systems are challenged. A site strictly regulated for cordiality could be very helpful for getting new ideas past the natural emotional barrier. I hope you will move forward on the idea. (I’m not saying I think there’s no place for theater, just that a neutralized blog would be helpful.)

Comment on Week in review – science edition by justinwonder

Comment on Week in review – science edition by jorgietom

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Oops, George Sheridan’s request is over on “Industry funding: witch hunts”. I’m using an RSS reader rather than the actual web site here. Got confused….

Comment on Week in review – science edition by justinwonder

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Wetlands are good – I vote for that. PVs, windfarms, biogas, electric cars are all climate politics, or just politics. Sure, there are true believers and there are useful I dee oughts, but the game is played by the high rollers that know how to pull the levers and gt their grubby little hands on the money.


Comment on Week in review – science edition by ...and Then There's Physics

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<blockquote> I said nothing remotely implying that. I have not even used the word “response” (except as p/o name RRT) — which is of course equivalent to “rebuttal” (in this context). </blockquote> I used <i>response</i> because they very obviously are. For some reason you think they aren't, but that - IMO - is just bizarre nonsense. Try reading them with your eyes open, your blinkers off, and while reminding yourself that they're being written by scientists, not idealogues. <blockquote> Since the nature of your objection is not clear, let’s guess! </blockquote> No need to guess. I think your position here is ridiculous. <blockquote> “As far as Steve McIntyre is concerned, if he really is concerned about tone…” Why is that relevant to this thread? Whether he’s right or wrong makes no difference here; I just point out the intensity and frequency of rebuttals to his work vs those to those attacking the IPCC as “too conservative”. </blockquote> It's relevant to this thread because you brought him up. Have you forgotten already? The relevance (which based on our previous exchanges you will simply not get) is that maybe the tone of responses is somewhat influenced by the tone of the person to whom you are responding. <blockquote> Yes, that is probably for the best. But you can try again if you have actual evidence. </blockquote> Well I probably have none that you would accept, so I don't plan to waste my time trying.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by genghiscunn

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10 theories of change (as seen by a “progressive”): Change is the underlying reality – everything in the universe is arising and passing away with great rapidity. How change on a broader scale manifests is a product of many factors and forces, I’m not at all sure that this simplistic list would be of value to those involved in politics.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Peter Lang

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There could also be competition for the statistical transfers as the latest data from the European Commission shows several countries, including the Netherlands and France, are also at risk of missing their targets.

Engineering & Technology: UK considering loophole to escape EU renewables fine http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2015/aug/uk-emissions-loophole.cfm

This is an indication of how irrational the EU 20% RE targets are. What is the CO2 abatement gain by forcing France to implement RE? France’s CO2 emissions intensity of electricity is just 0.069 t/MWh. Adding more renewables will require more gas use for back up. It will probably increase rather than decrease the CO2 emissions intensity of electricity.

Comment on Industry funding: witch hunts by climatereason

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Geoff

I commented on this subject a couple of days ago.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/08/18/industry-funding-witch-hunts/#comment-726352

I have nothing against good natured banter, which normally happens when the thread is well advanced, nor even some of the often funny but pertinent caustic comments.

It is the general air of merely continuing past feuds and tribalism and extreme parsing that then prevents a thorough examination of the issues at hand. A discussion that could usefully be aided by guest scientists who might feel more inclined to comment here if there wasn’t so much noise.

tonyb

Comment on Week in review – science edition by climatereason

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jorgietom

I commented on this subject a couple of days ago and just posted a reply to Geoff;

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Geoff

I commented on this subject a couple of days ago.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/08/18/industry-funding-witch-hunts/#comment-726352

I have nothing against good natured banter, which normally happens when the thread is well advanced, nor even some of the often funny but pertinent caustic comments.

It is the general air of merely continuing past feuds and tribalism and extreme parsing that then prevents a thorough examination of the issues at hand. A discussion that could usefully be aided by guest scientists who might feel more inclined to comment here if there wasn’t so much noise.

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tonyb

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