How much of this flood-control infrastructure existed in 1862?
Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by JCH
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by scotts4sf
That is one reason they built it.
we shall see.
Scott
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by JCH
Hopefully… but to compare, when the moment comes, should it, you have to add back to the modern flood the net water held back by the infrastructure built since 1862.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Don Monfort
It’s a low probability scenario because we are strong, joey.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Wagathon
And then, there were the rains of 1916 that broke the five year drought. It’s not just a legend: you can can read about in wiki –e.g., Google, “Charles M. Hatfield the rainmaker.”
The San Diego City Council badly wanted water: the people needed Hatfield. Their recently finished reservoir had lain bone dry for three years; and, they agreed to pay Hatfield $10,000 to fill it up — no rain, no pay, no risk: what could go wrong? Hatfield took the job. If successful the fee would’ve been like receiving $230,000 today. With his little brother’s help he built a 20-foot tower where he mixed and burned a secret mixture of chemicals, shot off bombs into the skies and lo, Hatfield caused it to rain…
It was the worst rain ever — worst flood in the county’s history. Rivers rose, water topped and broke through dams, communities became islands, roads, bridges, rails and farm animals were washed away, houses floated down the river and out to sea, settlements disappeared and many people died in the Hatfield Flood. Murder charges against Hatfield were considered. Lynching was threatened. Rather than receiving a fee — that he walked 60 miles over broken roads to collect — the ex-sewing machine salesman turned moisture enhancer, Hatfield was forced to flee for his life.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by scotts4sf
JCH
nice map. MBK does lots of water engr in CA. Is that from the CA water plan update in 2013?
Scott
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Joseph
Yeah that’s was my point about why we spend so much on the military, Don.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by JCH
Yes, I believe so. When the Brisbane flood happened people were trying to minimize its significance by pointing to floods in the 19th century, which were huge. Once the mitigation was added back, the Wivenhoe-Brisbane flood rivaled the 19th-century floods. It was huge flood event.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by JCH
<i>JC comment: This is a very important point; we need a broader range of scenarios of future climate change, including possible cooling from the sun, volcanoes, and shift to the cold phase of the AMO. …</i>
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1945/to:1985/mean:120/plot/esrl-amo/from:1945/to:1985/mean:120" rel="nofollow">The cold phase of the AMO, the green trend, is having no apparent effect on the the GMST, the red trend.</a>
Why do people expect that it will with the next cold phase... should there ever be a next cold phase of the AMO?
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by David Wojick
The US is in no position to reduce atmospheric concentrations of CO2, which are global not local, so a NAAQS would simply put the entire country in permanent nonattainment status, triggering Clean Air Act penalties. This is why EPA is trying hard to work around the Clean Air Act procedures, which were designed to handle actual pollutants.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Daniel E Hofford
@Jim D
“Take the CO2 increase out of the models, and you can’t explain the observed warming and remaining energy imbalance on top of it with known physics.”
Can someone here tell me if Jim D has this right. All we need to know is the ‘known physics’ and we’re good to go. Contained within the ‘known physics’ is everything we need to know about the atmosphere and how it works, how it cools and how it heats and how it moves energy around? It tells us all we need to know about feedback mechanisms? Within it’s knowledge base is everything we need to know about carbon sinks, what heats the ocean? We have accounted for every source of heat in the ocean (counted all the sources of heat from the mantle), all the aerosols there are, all the physics of clouds.
So, two questions: Is the discipline of physics sufficient, ever, by itself, to tell us all we need to know about the atmosphere and climate?
Is our current state of known physics sufficient to answer the questions we might ask in order to understand and predict climate?
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Arch Stanton
That’s the way the weather is at 30,000 feet.
We all can see it but it is not worth an explanation?
Save the Fuel!
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Comment on Week in review – science edition by Curious George
Jim D – “you seemed to think no one applies the precautionary principle for large earthquakes, and maybe you still do?” You introduced tsunami in this discussion. Now you are reverting to earthquakes. Slimy. But I accept your U-turn. Does the precautionary principle say that we have to prepare for a M9 earthquake, and if so, who is doing so?
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by stevenreincarnated
http://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/10161/9167/2014_Brown_GRL.pdf?sequence=1
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/2012_jclim_karnauskasetal.pdf
Take the CO2 out of the models and you can explain the warming with nothing but internal variability.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Curious George
Steven – warmists use projections, not predictions, because a projection can not be falsified. They are misusing semantics. Good marketing, though.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Daniel E Hofford
@Mike Flynn ” It is impossible to accurately measure the “global temperature” due to the chimerical nature of the beast. ”
Whoa! Wait. When did this happen? I read Christopher Essex’s book, Taken By Storm, last year, which was published in 2008.
That is the argument of his book…the impossibility of measuring an average temperature to which someone said to me (sniff) ‘It’s not an avg temperature dolt. It’s a temperature index.’
It seemed like a pretty compelling argument, but today is the first day I’ve seen anyone acknowledge any difficulty in measuring an average global temperature!
If one accepts this argument then what does it mean to attempt to hold global average temperature to 2C?
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by JCH
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1945/to:1985/mean:120/normalise/plot/esrl-amo/from:1945/to:1985/mean:120/normalise/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1945/to:1985/mean:120/normalise" rel="nofollow">adding the PDO explains a lot... doncha think?</a>
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Rob Starkey (@Robbuffy)
Joseph writes- “What happens if things turn out bad and more in line with what most climate scientists think? ”
LOL–You claim that most climate scientists think that more CO2 will result in a worse climate for humans. What is you evidence to support that claim? I would agree that most would think the system will get warmer, but not that they claim to know it will have worse overall climate. Also, people’s beliefs about what will happen in the future is less important than the reliability of the information upon which those beliefs are based.
If you don’t know if additional CO2 will result in better or worse weather, does it makes sense to spend lots of resources in reducing CO2 emissions? If you are worried about worsening weather it would make sense to do things that have the highest probability to minimize that damage. That is the construction and maintenance of robust infrastructure designed to meet the needs of specific areas
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by matthewrmarler
Steven Mosher: There is nothing extra ordinary about the LIA.. it’s been cold before. Therefore, there is nothing to explain.
How does it happen that there are alternations between warmer and cooler epochs, and why do the warmings have an apparent period of about 1000 years? You object to having questions put to you, but it would be good to have an explanation, as good perhaps as knowing how clouds form and rains fall.
Newton offered a partial explanation of why the moon does not fall but apples do fall, even though there was nothing extraordinary about either observation. There is nothing to explain about birds flying, because there is nothing extraordinary in the fact that they do fly; yet a good explanation proved useful.
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Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Joseph
So are you saying that scientists are making claims that climate change has negative risks based on no evidence? Are they making it up? Why do I find that hard to believe
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