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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by matthewrmarler

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Jim D: It’s about RICO, Exxon, WSJ, climate/tobacco comparisons, etc.

Sen Whitehouse refers to the advantages of having people testify under oath. I think he’ll find that once Oreskes and others testify under oath and subject to cross examination that the whole case will fall apart. There is no solid case that global warming is a public health issue, and under oath all the promoters of divestment from fossil fuels will back off the extreme claims. That is dramatically different from the case of tobacco, where there was lots of evidence for the health effects of smoking (not so much for exposure to secondary smoke).


Comment on A peculiar kind of science by mwgrant

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I’ll second that. Also you’ve brought a lot of solid topics and insights to the blog tables for discussion over the last several years.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by nickels

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Nice letter to The Australian!
I’m studying the Hellenistic age a bit, I have a feeling this era will provide some clues on the conflict between these two different world and intellectual conceptions.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by MarkB

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Of course we have science by committee in the modern era. It’s not like any individual is going to deploy a global network of thermometers including a couple thousand Argo sensor, pop off a few satellites, and do paleo work on the weekends.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by JCH

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Maybe he’s 90 years old, and no longer fully understands what an unlikely thing it is that an entire generation of scientists is blind to facts.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by Wagathon

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The energy found in a hurricane could be harnessed it would power the US for years… if it could be harnessed and stored; and, the same thing applies to solar and wind energy. It’s silly to think that driving a Tesla requires less energy than it takes to manufacture electricity but that’s what the EPAe MPG numbers (propaganda) would have us believe.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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Kasbah Kibbutz
Cry of liar.
Is it putz
Or fat in fryer?
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by JCH

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Sorry, late for an appointment… bizarre.

There will always be parts of the earth that run counter to the trend, so it’s irrelevant. If the trend changed directions, that would be relevant. The pause could have become relevant, but it pooped out.


Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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Every time, a new building into which to move.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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Aerosols cause cancer and lung disease, we even see, if we look hard enough to see, through the dungsmoke. But AnthroCO2 is not a net harm; it takes to deceit to conjure such a thing, and there the analogy fails.

The bet on the green mare,
They bet Stormy Lou.
Had they bet on Ol’ Carball,
We’d be free men today.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by climatereason

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Scott

I think you know that I am dubious as to the overwhelming value or accuracy of a global average temperature as methodology varies so much and the instruments used and the observers foibles and the manner in which temperatures are borrowed from hundreds of miles away all need to be taken into account.

Combine that with the precision that is claimed for historical reconstructions and the nuances that are lost by concentrating on the global rather than regional picture, and the record that our policy makers set such store by is not one they should be basing far reaching decisions on.

However, having met some of the people who compile temperatures and having known mosh for some years, I find the Idea that such people are deliberately manipulating and falsifying data to be far fetched. Bearing in mind there are thousands of people ultimately involved in the temperature business it woud have to be a hoax on a massive scale.

We have Paul homewood in the UK, Steve Goddard in the US, Jennifer in Australia all crying foul. Let them prove it by looking closely at the available data and documenting it in a way that can be peer reviewed.

As far as I can tell we have enormous natural variability underpinned by a very small overall temperature rise since around 1700 with, it would seem, inflexion points downwards around 1570, an upwards inflexion point around 1400 and various other inflexion points both up and down in the preceding 300 years. So I do not see the current temperatures as being so far out of the ordinary that they warrant alarm. Historical context often seems to be missing from climate science together with an over reliance on models and lack of knowledge of the scale of natural variability.

It woud be useful if those that are alarmed would confirm what sort of climate they want to dial back to and in what year it Last existed.

Tonyb

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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Advice to newbie. Always listen to moshe; let some of it run out the other side of your head.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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I like the Clark maps in the recent Thucydides.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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The warming is most likely predominantly natural and convincingly beneficial. The cornucopic greening and the tremendous societal enriching of fossil fuel use far outweigh its moderate warming value.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by kim

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Agora enjoyment,
Rush to meet fulfillment.
Don’t be late,
Such a fate.
See you next installment.
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Comment on A peculiar kind of science by mwgrant

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climatereason | October 22, 2015 at 7:38 am | <i>Peer review or stop sniping would be my message</i> | October 22, 2015 at 2:39 pm | <i>Let them prove it by looking closely at the available data and documenting it in a way that can be peer reviewed.</i> Both sound good to me, Tony.

Comment on Pink flamingos versus black swans by Beta Blocker

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David Wojick: Not possible, Beta.

Taken literally, to say that it is ‘not possible’ is not the same thing as saying it is ‘not likely.’

My position here is that although it is not likely that President Obama will adopt a comprehensive broad-spectrum strategic plan which can actually achieve his highly ambitious GHG reduction targets, there is nothing except the prospect of severe political backlash which prevents him from unilaterally taking aggressive action against all major classes of GHG emissions being produced from all major classes of carbon emitters, doing so from within the boundaries of a creatively-interpreted regulatory envelope.

He has done this kind of thing before in other areas of public policy decision making and has not been successfully thwarted. He or his successor could do it again if they were of a mind to push the regulatory envelope as far as it might legally be pushed in reducing America’s GHG emissions, all of the President’s existing authorities being taken into account.

For example, the President could legally issue an Executive Order declaring a carbon pollution emergency. He could then follow up with a series of coordinated actions on the part of all departments and agencies of the Executive Branch, actions which directly or indirectly constrain the production, supply, and consumption of all carbon fuels.

A key part of that GHG reduction strategy would be for the President or one of his designated surrogates to petition the EPA Administrator to act in concert with other US Government departments and agencies by first publishing an EPA Endangerment Finding for CO2 written under CAA Section 108; then by setting a NAAQS for CO2 based upon the conclusions of the Section 108 Endangerment Finding; and then by developing a corresponding EPA regulatory framework which takes full advantage of Section 108 provisions.

If the President and his advisers were willing to risk the inevitable political backlash which would come from imposing what is, for all practical purposes, a fossil energy rationing program combined with what is the regulatory equivalent of a legislated tax on carbon, he could go far in achieving the ambitious GHG reduction targets he seeks — 28% by 2025, 32% by 2030, and 80% by 2050.

Ongoing debate concerning the scientific truth of today’s mainstream climate science is a low-priority, largely backwater issue among America’s voters. Only when America’s leaders start asking the American people to accept serious personal and economic sacrifices in the name of fighting climate change will the public debate over the validity of today’s mainstream climate science reach a critical mass.

A black swan/pink flamingo public issue criticality event, occurring in the form of a Presidential Executive Order declaring a carbon pollution emergency, would instantly transform the current political situation as it affects climate change issues, and would produce immediate fallout in the form of an intense public debate concerning the value and validity of today’s mainstream climate science.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by matthewrmarler

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Kim, you are an endless delight.

Comment on A peculiar kind of science by timg56

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JCH’s “write a paper and prove it”

Typical response. How many papers have you authored J?

And who wants to take bets that should I write the requested paper, JCH will then cry “But it’s not peer reviewed!” proving once again he doesn’t have a clue what the peer review process intails or means.

JCH, you may think that manipulating data is always appropriate and always accurate. I don’t. However if you want to arrange for the computing and staff resources guys like Dr Karl have at their disposal, I would seriously consider developing a proposal to rerun his analysis with different (and defendable) assumptions and see if the results support or discredit those of Karl.

Bottom line – his assumptions are not defendable and you implying otherwise is just further reflection on your lack of honest discourse.

Why don’t you explain why Karl’s methods were valid? No paper necessary. Just a couple of paragraphs explaining why it is valid to adjust one set of data based on another set, then weight the now adjusted data set more heavily on the basis it is more accurate than the set used to adjust it.

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