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Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by Ron Graf

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Nick, ATTP, the point of this post is not whether there is a valid use for RCP8.5 or whether it is labeled correctly by scientists. Its whether it routinely gets misused by advocates, scientists or not. Here is a Yahoo News article giving the public a timely primer on climate change two days ago. http://news.yahoo.com/global-warming-051556794.html

Within the article:

The UN’s climate science body has predicted that without reducing emissions, global temperatures would likely rise 3.7-4.8C by 2100.

My question is if the AR5 gets these temperatures from a model ensemble mean using RCP8.5 ? Do those realizations (runs) assume no volcanic eruptions? Do these models, even without cooling volcanic events, show skill as low as 7% confidence, as an above comment asserts?

If any or all of the answers are “yes” then the public, press and political leaders are guiding policy on false assumptions they believe are the result of unbiased science, rather than likely biased science that is further exaggerated intentionally for motives that are somehow personally justified.


Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by Ron Graf

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Before the IPCC’s climate representatives weigh in I assert the articles quoted wording “without reducing emissions” means business as usual, which means reasonable alternative energy development and efficiency gains without economic penalties or carbon taxation.

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Brian G Valentine

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It’s hard to believe that a handful of cranks 25 years ago brought this all on

Comment on Paris: impacts? by GaryM

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In post modern politics, the only thing that matters is the process.

If the process ends, so do the trips, and the perks, and most important of all, the budgets….

As an attempt to control the climate, Paris was a complete flop.

As an effort to maintain progressive power and budgets, it was a resounding success.

And since power is the real goal of all progressive policies, Paris was a win.

Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by timg56

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So they make assumptions that not only are worse case, but ignore or contradict well established trends and then represent it as business as usual.

Is it any wonder people question the motives (because if it isn’t motivated it can only be incompetence) of the people pushing the “We have to act now.” Storyline?

Comment on Paris: impacts? by George Klein

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I submitted the following to the Climate Science Blog of the Geological Society’s “Connected Community.” We’ll see if they post it. A shorter version appeared on my Facebook page:

The Paris COP-21 meeting on climate change has published its 31-page “Agreement” which can be read here:

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09.pdf

I’ve read the agreement and got the impression, perhaps mistaken, that it is an advocacy document with feel-good intentions lacking rigor and enforcement mechanisms. Key provisions are voluntary with no oversight. In other words, each country is left to decide what it wants to do simply because no agreement was possible without such a provision rendering it meaningless.

The winners were the Indians and the Chinese who are increasing coal production. The Chinese also are selling coal-fired power plants to other countries! Even US Secretary of State Kerry admitted that any agreed mitigation the US might do won’t ameliorate Anthropogenic global warming significantly.

The Agreement also has an opt-out provision after three years from signing the agreement with a one-year waiting period after giving notice. However, failure of 55 countries to ratify the agreement by April, 2016, also is an opt-out mechanism that is four months away. The most critical part of the agreement appears in the “Annex” starting on p.19.

The Global Warming Policy Foundation in the UK has described the COP-21 Agreement as “non-binding and toothless” which pretty-well sums it up. Similarly, GSA’s distinguished invited speaker at the 2015 Baltimore annual meeting, Dr. James Hansen, has stated that the COP-21 meeting in Paris is a ”fraud.” (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/james-hansen-climate-change-paris-talks-fraud). Given his credentials and GSA’s high regard for his expertise, Dr. Hansen’s assessment should be taken seriously even if his language could be viewed by some as strong.

The 12 day venue appears to have been very costly. I estimated it cost over $1 Billion to arrange the Paris meeting. Using the US State Department per idem rate for Paris of $480/day, just this item for 40,000 delegates comes to $211,200,000. Travel costs, averaging $5,000 per delegate (probably a low figure because most travelled first class) would add $200 million. Add rental of the venue, security, special limousines, flying the US President’s security designed SUV, security detail and 500 person entourage, and the costs keep climbing. Add delegates’ salaries as an additional cost.

Did the world get its money’s worth? In the Southern USA, they say “time will tell.” In my view, the venue money could have been better spent helping the world’s poor improve their economic well-being and given them a chance for upward mobility. That’s a global goal worth striving for.

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Brian G Valentine

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On the other hand, they could doing something meaningful with their lives – like addressing mental illness and aid to children and the elderly

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Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by timg56

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Ken Rice can’t even be honest with himself.

He picks one point which is accurate (RCP8.5 represents a future in which emissions are increasing) and ignores all of the other pertinent points of the scenario.

Nice work Ken.

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Tom Harley

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A questionable ‘world leader’. ” Appropriately enough, the climate change conference kicked off with a speech from murderous Zimbabwean tyrant bastard Robert Mugabe, who isn’t exactly unfamiliar with large body counts. That includes his 91st birthday party earlier this year, which featured a feast of buffalo, impala and a baby elephant.

“Unless current trends are reversed, disaster stalks planet Earth,” Mugabe told the conference, before presumably heading for the French capital’s Parc Zoologique to see if it had a drive-through.” (Tim Blair)

Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by PA

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ristvan, tell me something.

If peak fossil fuel is on or before 2030, If the country responsible for almost 1/2 of coal consumption is going be tapped out by 2045, if a country responsible for 6% of coal production is going to be tapped out in the next decade, who is burning all this fossil fuel in the RCPs and where are they getting it from? It is hard to make the case that 2050 emissions will be as high as current emissions (10 GT).

If it is impossible to cause harmful global warming, why all the charades?

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Peter Lang

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Bjorn Lomborg included this link: http://data.myworld2015.org/ .

9.7 million people have voted with nearly half the votes coming from the poorest countries. It shows results by age group, gender, education level and by HDI countries ‘low’ to ‘very high’.

Guess what ranks dead last overall and in nearly all categories except high and very high HDI and those over 50. The richer the country the higher it ranks.

What a bloody joke!!!

It’s interesting to compare the education levels of the Australians, Americans and British that voted. I’d say Australian school teachers have been telling their pupils to vote …. after ‘educating’ them in how to vote of course.

Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by timg56

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Ken,

Your arrogance is matched by your dishonesty in debating an additional issue. You say 8.5 is highlighted because is is possible to follow an emissions pathway that leads to 8.5. Possible, yes. Just as it is possible I will win the lottery. Which is an apt analogy because the people odds of either happening are similar. That is not business as usual by any stretch of reality. And since your description has no foindation on the real world it means either you are easily confused or know exactly what you are doing and are therefore another dishonest putz.

But then we already knew that.

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Wagathon

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Not even the Democrat party wants Al Gore back. We’re making progress… if you believe the unborn will all be poor and needy and their expectations for a good life must be dealt with by whatever means as the Left shall decide based on whatever tough love their models say will be best for the planet.

Comment on Paris: impacts? by Peter Lang

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I should have explained that the proportion of voters who completed primary school or high school are much higher in Australia than in other very HDI countries – where most voters competed a higher level of education.


Comment on A closer look at scenario RCP8.5 by PA

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Ok.

But if we are only in for 6 W/m2 why all the singing and dancing about global warming?

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Comment on Paris: impacts? by knutesea

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Good, now that we know Gates et want to build MSRs and China et al will fund emerging nations coal fire power plants can we get back to what the likely natural variability indicates. NOAA actually has a very nice subsection of their webpage and I was stuck by how likely a cooling is.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data2.html

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