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Comment on What’s the best climate question to debate? by willard (@nevaudit)

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Latimer Adler claims:

> I make no claim to ‘victimhood’ whatsoever.

I make no claim otherwise, but merely pointing out that he was victim playing, for instance when he says:

> Oh dearieme. Oh the shame. Mea culpa! I abase myself.

Interestingly, he does not address my claim that he is blaming the victim. It might not be obvious for him to contradict that claim, since he provides evidence in the remaining of his post. For instance:

> But I am rather surprised that my just asking a simple question and persisting until I get a decent answer gets you all in such a froth and a flummery that you appear to have lost all control of your emotions. It is very revealing of your inner selves and should act as a dreadful warning to others.

Letting aside the obnoxious mindreading and the obvious mischaracterization, we have evidence that Latimer justifies himself thus: faced with his simple question, his interlocutors are simply reacting irrationally and emotionally. In other words, the victim is to blame.

No wonder why Latimer can’t get no satisfaction.

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Let’s look at his “simple question”:

> On what basis? What evidence would you cite? What ‘negative impacts’ are there?

Here was Joshua’s answer:

That ACO2 has harmful impact irrespective of any potentially harmful influence on climate change (and I’ll even throw in geo-political negative externalities as an exclusion for the sake of argument),is completely obvious are obvious to anyone who is serious about this issue and is even remotely interested in a good faith discussion.

In other words, Joshua tells him: producing CO2 creates pollution, and Latimer might very well be asking why water is wet.

Latimer’s question is irrelevant for the discussion at the time: as we saw, Joshua did not even assumed what Latimer challenges, for argument’s sake. But Latimer insists:

> I’ll take your unwillingness/inability to present any evidence beyond ‘its obvious’ as an admission that you haven’t got any, shall I?.

This is not a simple question. This appeals to Joshua’s pride.

Latimer Adler is ready to appeal to his interlocutor’s pride when they refuse to tell him what evidence they have to think that CO2 produces pollution and that pollution has impacts.

No wonder why Latimer can’t get no satisfaction.

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Finally, we’ll note that many answers were still provided to him, none of which he found obvious, most of which he did not even acknowledge.

The most direct is this one:
http://bit.ly/R0zt0q

This last answer has been told twice. His last comment does not acknowledge this.

No wonder why Latimer can’t get no satisfaction.


Comment on Why communicate science? by BBD

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steven

Either you have devastatingly severe comprehension problems or you are just being a prat. I don’t know what else I can say given the number of times I have repeated myself, linked to previous comments and external references and generally endeavoured to clarify and support what I have said.

For the very last time: I didn’t mention basal lubrication because – as you *originally* suggested – it isn’t of primary importance. The issue is the WAIS, disintegration of embayed buttressing ice shelves and the inherent instability of marine ice sheets. Nothing whatsoever to do with basal lubrication. I cannot bring myself to repeat another word of what I have said – again and again and again – above.

Your commentary has taken on the same twisting, amorphous quality I recall from previous discussions. And you have now posted a video clip. Perhaps we can call it a day.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by Stephen Rasey

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Are you saying that the only goal of public debate is to “win”? That the only outcomes can be win and lose?

The goal of public debates CAN be greater understanding of the issues, resources, mechanics, and values involved in a pending decision.

It is true that some debates are set up so that there is a declared winner (like how many people exit a particular door). But must public debates be set up so that the only thing that matters is to “win”?

Comment on Why communicate science? by BBD

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LA <blockquote>The paper itself presents its results in a linearised format. I used the same format in an extrapolation in exactly the same way as the IPCC did.</blockquote> We've been through this. The AR4 linear extrapolation is incomplete and obsolete because it <b>excludes</b> non-linear response by ice sheets. See all comments on non-linear ice sheet dynamics upthread. Read them this time, as they were written in response to your misconceptions and for your benefit. I already know this stuff. <blockquote>When last I looked, this acceleration was not immediately apparent in the published data.</blockquote> The <a href="http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_MERGED_Global_IB_RWT_GIA_Adjust.png" rel="nofollow">reduction/recovery</a> in <i>global</i> SLR associated with the 2010 El Nino is going to mask so slight a change (assuming your calculation and the assumptions you made are correct). <blockquote>Shall we reconvene then to see if the prediction has come true?</blockquote> Yes, let's do that. There should be lots of other trend changes we can discuss by then too. Bookmark this comment.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by Tom

Comment on What’s the best climate question to debate? by Bart R

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Memphis | October 11, 2012 at 2:19 am |

Ned Beatty was in therapy for years after playing the role of the victim in Deliverance.

If you believe you’re always the victim of a corrupt government violating you at every turn, that’s a level of martyr complex beyond any blog commenter’s power to answer.

Either man up, or seek professional help.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by David L. Hagen

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Howard
Correction: “PS I look forward to YOUR growing in wisdom and knowledge . . .”

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by Wagathon

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Not when it boils down to the productive being attacked by blood-sucking parasites.


Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by David Springer

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If the empty link was intentional then ROFLMAO.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by Bob Ludwick

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If the essay by Professor Wyckoff is a representative example of critical thinking, as thought by the critical thinkers who are teaching our best and brightest to think critically as they pass through our institutions of higher learning, it makes a strong case for razing said institutions to the ground and salting the earth upon which they stood. With Cs 135.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by Heinrich the Norwegian Elkhound

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70 % !!! Oh noes!

Why that’s the same fraction of USA-ians that believed that Saddam Hussein flew the planes into the WTC towers!

One can never overestimate the gullibility of the citizens of TV-nation.

Comment on What exactly is critical thinking? by David Wojick

Comment on Why communicate science? by BBD

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Yes. <a href="http://judithcurry.com/2012/10/09/why-communicate-science/#comment-252949" rel="nofollow">On the correct subthread.</a> Just as I said.

Comment on Week in review 10/5/12 by Erica

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Myrrh : the standard AGW claim is that it is mainly visible light which heats land and oceans

Interesting, I always thought the standard AGW claim had something to do with CO2.

Comment on Week in review 10/13/12 by Howard

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Hey Zeus Christo, Chief.

You and Bart are two peas in a pod. Enjoy your pillow fight.


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Comment on Week in review 10/13/12 by Chief Hydrologist

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Lists look authoritative moshpit?

I think I got the Dr Loo reference – after googling and getting Dr Loo and the filthy fhaleks. A british porno. I’ll go with this instead.

I do not read blogs other than this one. Although I have made a few comments in the past – it never seems a balanced environment on any site. C’est la guerre climatique.

Lewandowsky’s methodology is absurd and Wattt’s methodology is based on – http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/Activities/qmws_2010/CountryReport/CS202_Leroy.pdf – let’s see who is right.

Comment on Week in review 10/13/12 by R. Gates

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Oh yeah, Chief said:

“You can set your dial on global cooling – gatesy – as the global system moves into a 1000 year cool mode of much more frequent and intense La Nina.”
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You apparently forget that the oceans accumulate energy during La Nina’s more so than El Ninos, thus in the very unlikely event of a 1,000 “much more frequent and intense La Nina”, we’d see ocean heat content skyrocket even more so. And given that the oceans are the largest repository of non-tectonic energy on Earth, such a long La Nino favored period would definitely see Earth warm (and by Earth, we must include the larger heat sink of the ocean).

Atmospheric energy content is quite small compared to the ocean. When talking about a warming or cooling Earth, if you don’t include the ocean in that metric, you are not talking about the whole Earth.

Comment on Week in review 10/13/12 by Howard

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You don’t like to drill down too deep. This is an interesting paper that does nothing to predict volcanic erections.

Comment on Week in review 10/13/12 by Beth Cooper

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WHT 13/12 @11.39am says that the wind is always blowing somewhere.
The ‘theoretical’ possibilities of effficient storage or inexpensive transportation of wind energy, however, are still a pipe dream. The fact remains that intermittant wind technology is a constant problem. In the UK, BBC weatherman reported that it in 3 consecutive winters of intense cold there was little or no wind to generate electricity. On the 21 December,
2010 , coal and gas generated 45,000MW of electricity compared to wind generated electricity of20 MW.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/economy/electricitycosts2012.pdf

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