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Comment on Open thread weekend by Faustino

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Two of my recent letters to The Australian:

Published 26 Feb:

Letters, columns and news reports in The Australian have long conveyed serious concerns about threats to freedom of speech in Australia. Yet in that very journal Human Rights’ Commissioner Gillian Triggs denies that Australians have such fears (Opinion, 25/2). She also says that, by contrast, we – Australians at large – are “justly concerned that they and their families will be racially abused in a public place,” something which holds no fear for the vast majority of the population, who are neither abusers nor abused.

I fear that, like some in the government, Professor Triggs gives insufficient weight to the critical importance of freedom of speech relative to potential abuses of it, and to abuses of power which flourish in darkness.

Sent today in response to a Catholic Bishop drawing on the Pope:

Denis Hart knows nothing of economics (“Pope’s wish an ethical market,” 1/3). Competitive markets ensure that resources flow to their highest value use, so that, collectively, we make best use of scarce resources. Vendors succeed by offering a better deal than their competitors, and get repeat business through a good reputation. In tight labour markets, employers get the best from their staff by treating them well.

The impact of market economics and trade has seen a huge and unprecedented rise in global well-being over the last 60 years, which could have been achieved by no other means.

None of this is immoral, and the Pope’s call to “remoralise” and “civilise” the economy is ignorant.

The markets serve society well, but they are not social services. Governments exist in part to redress perceived shortcomings of markets. Unfortunately, they do so very poorly and at high cost, and should rely more on market mechanisms than regulation and intervention.

By lifting billions of people from a state of desperate struggle for survival, market economics has given them time and energy to pursue less survival-critical issues, including spiritual development.


Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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tempterrain

You are revealing your total ignorance of the USA with statements like:

But as American society has changed and become more conservative, so has the Republican Party changed with it.

American society has, indeed, changed since the mid-19thC.

But it has NOT “become more conservative”.

Instead it has become “LESS conservative” and more “social” (as have most nations).

Read your history.

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by Beth Cooper

Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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tempterrain

Having lived briefly in Sri Lanka during the brief “pause” in hostilities (2001/2002) and having good friends, who still live their now, I can comment to your #299296.

You write to Beth:

You say the Tamil refugees are fleeing because of mis-government. Some will say they are fleeing in the aftermath of a war. Others will say they are wanting to move to Australia purely for economic reasons.

The war is over. The ending was brutal (for the Tamils).

The current ultra-socialist (i.e. communist) government is full of corruption and waste, and does not care a whit about the populace; as in most communist countries, there is no real democracy and poverty is rampant. And Tamils are considered second-class citizens, to boot.

So Beth is right: the poverty is largely a result of the mis-government, and that’s why people are still leaving long after the shooting and killing have stopped.

But they are NOT “climate refugees” in any shape or form.

Neither are all the Africans that are feeing to Europe. either from open war, abject poverty or dictatorial governments.

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by Faustino

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Anyone who thinks that The Australian would misrepresent Pachauri on its front page can contact the author, Environment Editor Graham Lloyd, at lloydg@theaustralian.com.au. The Oz is very good at printing corrections or letters from those who feel they have been misrepresented, and there has been no denial from Pachauri.

Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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Peter Lang

Let me throw in my two cents’ worth.

There is absolutely NO (= “null” = “zilch”) chance that a binding global Kyoto agreement with teeth will EVER be signed by all the nations involved.

If another phony, non-binding resolution to “fight global climate change” or “hold global warming to no more than 2C” is signed, this will simply be another worthless piece of paper.

It has stopped warming (I know lolwot hates to hear this, but it is a fact).

Warming is likely to continue to stall for another decade or two (a VERY long time in politics, but an insignificant “blip” in climate).

IF it does start warming again after that time (and this is quite likely) CAGW will have been dead a long time as a political force and politicians will be looking at other schemes and scare tactics to get their hands on your wallet (as they always do).

That’s my prediction.

Max

PS Jim Cripwell is absolutely right in continuously hammering on the weak spot of the CAGW premise (the fact that it is not supported by empirical scientific evidence). This message needs to get across to one and all, so that everyone becomes aware that CAGW is only a model-generated paper tiger, and not a real potential threat to humanity.

Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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Faustino

Sir Paul Nurse, President of The Royal Society, may have been a brilliant geneticist, but today he is simply a political hack.

A shame for him.

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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lolwot

You are confused.

The Australian cites a statement from Dr. Pahauri, in which he acknowledges the observed current standstill in global warming, which was previously pointed out by the UK’s Met Office.

More than a week later, Dr. Pachauri has not contested this or corrected the statement he allegedly made.

So the “null” hypothesis is that the statement by The Australian is correct.

Show me the evidence that the “null hypothesis” is incorrect or stop your silly bleating.

And fer Chrissakes don’t fall into the trap of calling it “a lie”. That’s absurd.

Max

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Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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Atlanta in late March. Dogwoods in bloom. Robins in the trees.

Hey, Faustino, count me in, too!

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by manacker

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Peter Land

I doubt that our hostess ever gets “fed up with the level of the discussion”.

After all, she’s in control of what gets through and what does not – and she appears to be very lenient in her censorship.

But, what the hell, the lady’s busy – she’s got a full-time job.

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by Beth Cooper

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Yes Max,

O to be in Atlanta
Now that it is Spring,
And Aprill with his shoures soote
The droughts of march hath perced to the roote,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyghte with open ye …

H/t Chaucer another pilgrim..

Comment on Open thread weekend by kim

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April is the coolest month,
Breathing Judys out of lilacs.
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Comment on Spinning the climate model – observation comparison by manacker

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Beth

Jawohl. Ve vunz hed “die neue Weltordnung” (but zose days are futsch).

FDR brought us the “New Deal”.

Tony and Gordon once brought us “New Labour”

And, hey we even have “New Socialism” (didn’t work for the USSR but it’s gonna work this time – believe me, baby)
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

“New Same Old”

Max

Comment on Open thread weekend by AK

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From your link:

As mentioned above, bacterial growth rates during the phase of exponential growth, under standard nutritional conditions (culture medium, temperature, pH, etc.), define the bacterium’s generation time. Generation times for bacteria vary from about 12 minutes to 24 hours or more. The generation time for E. coli in the laboratory is 15-20 minutes, but in the intestinal tract, the coliform’s generation time is estimated to be 12-24 hours. For most known bacteria that can be cultured, generation times range from about 15 minutes to 1 hour. Symbionts such as Rhizobium tend to have longer generation times. Many lithotrophs, such as the nitrifying bacteria, also have long generation times. Some bacteria that are pathogens, such as Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Treponema pallidum, have especially long generation times, and this is thought to be an advantage in their virulence. Generation times for a few bacteria are are shown in Table 2. [my bold]

Not exactly the same thing. Did you think I wouldn’t bother to actually follow your link?

Fast-growing bacteria might have lifetimes measured in hours, but slower-growing ones are known (see your own link), and bacteria known only from a few bits of DNA might have even longer generation times. In addition, the life cycle of many bacteria includes sporulated stages, which can last years, and can’t be discounted for bacteria with an areal growth phase.

And, BTW, I’m not anonymous. I prefer not to spatter my name all over the internet, but you can find it if you dig into my blog.

As for textbooks, many are full of errors, and most are out of date relative to active research. Something practicing scientists (and many amateurs like me) are well aware of.

Comment on Spinning the climate model – observation comparison by Bart R

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kim | February 28, 2013 at 8:55 am |

Dr. Curry is not such a heavy moderator as you seem to suggest, at least in my experience. And while I’d gladly repeat any posting I’ve made, zambonied or otherwise (correcting or updating as passage of time merits), my memory is not so sharp that I can recall this phantom best you imply was among the handful of irrelevancies that have been moderated by our kind host. So, it appears I must forego the bank error you monopolistically offer.

Perhaps you could restrict your catalog of my supposed transgressions of personal courtesy to what hasn’t been moderated? Because so far, all I see is your claims landing on my hotels and not having enough to pay the rent.

blueice2hotsea | February 28, 2013 at 9:09 am |

Perhaps there is some confusion as to what ad hom means, or what the property of goodwill attached to an argument is?

Could you explain unambiguously how noting that an intangible expression is lacking in goodness of will seems to be an argument based on the personalities of some author?

I certainly didn’t say the respondents lack goodness, nor will, nor goodwill. Only that the falsity, imprecision, illogic, cherry-picking, and intentional qualities of the case brought to answer my honest, valid and truthful claims leaves the reader dissatisfied.


Comment on Open thread weekend by kch

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I doubt anyone’s still reading this far down the thread, but if so…

Joshua -

“Asking for consideration of motivated reasoning does not equate to questioning motive. It is actually, IMO, an important distinction.”

I don’t see the distinction you are making. If you have the time/inclination, I would appreciate your expanding on this. (I do believe that I can see the distinction in theory, but your apparent – to me, anyway – lack of even-handedness in application would seem to defeat the theory here.)

Max -

Don’t overstate it. I think he just succumbed to the joy of the cheap shot. And, really, who hasn’t?

Comment on Open thread weekend by tempterrain

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“Are you really so naive as to believe that voters actually get what they really want?”

I’d like zero taxes and free beer! But, I’m not naive enough to think that’s likely to happen any time soon. Sure, democracy has its obvious flaws and it’s easy to get cynical about politicians. Most people, in the West, tend to take it all for granted because they don’t have any personal experience of living under anything different. But there’s still plenty of countries where there’s no democracy. If you think life under Barrack Obama or David Cameron, or whoever, is bad just look at the alternatives.

Comment on Open thread weekend by phatboy

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Just don’t fool yourself into thinking that governments act according to the will of the people.

Comment on Open thread weekend by tempterrain

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“I love it that Arlo Guthrie is a republican.”

I’m a republican too! Do you love that? His Dad use to sing “this land is your land, this is my land” which has very leftish sentiments. Does he sing that song too?

Comment on Open thread weekend by A fan of *MORE* discourse

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Why SkS withdrew from the Bloggies

In an inversion of reality, the Science and Technology category is dominated by anti-science blogs that post conspiracy theories about the scientific community, deny the full body of evidence and reject the scientific consensus. The fact that 4 out of 5 science finalists are anti-science demonstrates that the integrity of the Bloggies Award has been compromised.

The SKS folks are right-on-the-facts. Moreover, Gavin Tapp’s weblog has posted solid evidence of organization-level astroturfing

All this talk of climate change
is making the astroturf grow like crazy

95% of the 252 comments posted are in the climate skeptic/denier side of the argument, and almost certainly the result of organised activity funded and coordinated by companies that feel they have something to lose.

And this isn’t limited to YouTube – it’s something you can see in any online space where news and politics are part of the content.

This shouldn’t really be news to you if you’ve been paying attention.

There is no evidence that the editorial staff of sites like WUWT, PJMedia, etc. personally collude in unscrupulous astro-turfing practices. And yet, these same editorial staffs have embraced other unscrupulous practices — for example, the unilateral “outing” of posters’ personal identities … so who knows?

Conclusion  SKS should not lend its name to the unscrupulous and/or anti-scientific practices that have been associated to astro-turfed and/or politics-first climate-change denialism.

Good on `yah for standing up for rational science and honest public discourse, SKS!

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