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May 4, 2013, 11:19 pm

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This morning was colder than normal and it did inspire this email to the Head of NOAA and a lot of others.

Alex

From: Alex Pope [mailto:alexpope13@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:20 PM
To: ‘Dr. Sullivan
Cc: others with addresses deleted

Subject: Cold because of warm

Dr Sullivan, NOAA,
Another cold because of warm story.
I talked to you about Climate Theory at Space Center Houston when Mike Coats Retired. That was in Jan 2012.
http://popesclimatetheory.com/
Tom Wysmuller and Judah Cohen both did Forecast the snow and cold this winter while you did miss it. You should study their skilled Forecasts while the weather is still colder than normal.

When the oceans are warm and the Arctic is open in September it does snow more all winter and that is why it was cold this morning in Houston.

Global Warming is busted. When the oceans get warm and wet it does snow more and that sets an upper bound on temperature that will not be violated. Put this in your climate models.

Read this latest page on my website and follow the links near the bottom.
In this page there are links to Forecasts for now that were made last year by Tom Wysmuller and Judah Cohen.

http://popesclimatetheory.com/page49.html

Follow the links and tell me what you think about Warm Oceans and Snow and Cold.

Join our Climate Study Group. We are not a consensus group. Some of our members do agree with your Consensus Theory and the others of us do believe various things. You would be very welcome if you sent someone or even linked in with us with Skype, from time to time.

John Nielsen-Gammon, the Texas State Climatologist, does join us for some of our activities and he invites us to activities at Texas A&M.
He is part of our study group, but he does tend to agree with your consensus side.
http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/

Consensus Climate Theory and Model Output is clearly getting snowed out.

Herman A. (Alex) Pope
Retired Aerospace Engineer
MSC – Manned Spacecraft Center (1963)
BS Engineering Mechanics VPI/Virginia Tech 1967
NASA – Johnson Space Center (to 2007)

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May 4, 2013, 11:34 pm

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This study simply confirms the robust correlation between consumption of Big Macs and global temperature.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6087/6131030099_28f413cc77_b.jpg

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May 4, 2013, 11:42 pm

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Bias isn’t science.

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May 4, 2013, 11:53 pm

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Max_OK

No, I do not live in Ticino.

But I’m pretty sure the folks there would not mind a slightly warmer climate either.

They had a lot of cold weather and snow this winter and spring, with an unusual snowfall of 20 to 30 cm on February 12 (has apparently only occurred four times since the start of measurements in 1864).

http://www.meteoschweiz.admin.ch/web/de/wetter/tagesaktualitaet/alle/2013/02/25_aktu_20130225.html

Max_CH

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May 5, 2013, 12:05 am

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Serfs don’t like taxes on energy, and that includes subsidies
fer in – efficient technologies … yeah, wind turbines and solar.
Serfs don’t like taxes on carbon because carbon is plant food
and serfs like food.
One – of – them.

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May 5, 2013, 12:12 am

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In the decades ahead we may fall prey to hucksters promising to bring back global warming — especially if temperatures drop to levels experienced during 1650 and 1850. “The last global decrease of temperature,” according to Abdussamatov, ”was observed not only in Europe, North America and Greenland, but also in any other part of the world during the Maunder minimum of sunspot activity and of the total solar irradiance in 1645 to 1715.”

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May 5, 2013, 12:32 am

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Bart R

Neither you nor I know exactly what a dirt poor individual in Eritrea (for example) is thinking.

According to Wiki, Eritrea has a population of 5.74 million and an annual GDP of $2.6 billion.

It only emitted 414,000 tons of CO2 per year, so has a relatively high “carbon efficiency” of over $6,000 per ton of CO2 emitted (over twice that of the USA!).

But most of its citizens do not have access to a reliable source of low-cost energy (as those in the USA do) and live in abject poverty with an annual per capita GDP of less than $500.

I would guess that these folks would be very happy if they had this energy access and the increase in per capita GDP that goes with it, even if the nation’s “carbon efficiency” diminished to a third of its present level.

Max

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May 5, 2013, 12:35 am

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Steven Mosher | May 5, 2013 at 2:18 am |

I can honestly say, I have never had a Harvard MBA work for me, or even sit on the same side of the table.

Still, some of them dress nice.

And the 90% ‘rule’ is more of a guideline, really. Hard to understand how anyone would fall for that sort of dog and pony show. 900 pages? Good grief.

Here’s some rules:

1. You can be a principled Capitalist; you can be a principled Socialist. You can’t be both in the same Administration, or the same sentence.

2. GDP is just a number, and usually a meaningless one. You can tell if it’s meaningful by feeding the hungry out of your own pantry, sheltering the homeless under your own roof, and conversing with the ignorant. Read Climate Etc. and tell me how much GDP means.

3. Debt and deficit figures must reflect some reality to be useful in decision making. The last time those figures really reflected realities in America the USA was just another nation like all the rest. Though some say they really lost their value in decision making when decision-makers came to value winning over understanding.

4. If it can’t be summed up in three pages or three points, it likely isn’t true.

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May 5, 2013, 12:43 am

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Peter Lang | May 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm |

I remain skeptical.

First off, let’s look at the record of the licensing of new aircraft between 1954 and today.

Tell me, how many Concordes are flying today?

How many Dreamliners?

How many Space Shuttles?

What is the track record for safety of aircraft designed and built from 1955 to today compared to those built before 1955?

And what is the track record of these aircraft that the USA had the least hand in the design and building of?

If nuclear facilities had the same track record as aircraft, there’d be Three Mile Islands and Chernobyls and Fukishima’s in every nuclear nation on the planet.

So you’ll understand if I believe there are people in the world who understand these matters much, much better than do you.

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May 5, 2013, 12:47 am

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http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/vonSchuckmannampLTroan2011-fig5PG_zpsee63b772.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17

http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_last_15.html

Neither is just deciding it isn’t so. We get enough of that from the space cadets.

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May 5, 2013, 12:48 am

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http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/vonSchuckmannampLTroan2011-fig5PG_zpsee63b772.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17

http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_last_15.html

Neither is just deciding it isn’t so. We get enough of that from the space cadets.

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May 5, 2013, 12:53 am

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Beth

The Chief’s article advises us serfs (especially the ones in your country)

“Remember, only bet what you can afford to lose.”

The feeling is captured by the serf’s theme song, first sung by Eddy Arnold (and later made famous by Ray Charles): “Born to Lose”.

Looks like you serfs down under might get lucky and “lose” your current ruling elite to a new bunch that may not want to squeeze quite so much money out of you.

I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you, Beth.

Max.

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May 5, 2013, 12:56 am

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Brandon Shollenberger | May 4, 2013 at 11:17 pm |

I leave you with these two choices:

1. Do ‘correctly’, top to bottom, front to back, what you claim BEST ought have done instead of what it actually did do. The data is all there. Freeware is available to produce the results. You have no disadvantage the BEST team didn’t also have, except for being you.

Or.

2. Write “I will not pretend to know more than the evidence supports,” 50,000 times.

They’re both about the same amount of work. They’ll both get you the same place.

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May 5, 2013, 12:57 am

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My inclination is always to call pointless nonsense pointless nonsense.

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May 5, 2013, 12:58 am

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At what point does does numeracy stop and numerology start?

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May 5, 2013, 1:01 am

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Max,
We gotta get guv – uh – mint that ain’t
in-sane in the mem-brain. Wish they’d
listen ter … Faustino and Peter Lang.
..and serfs. )
Yer fellow serf.

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May 5, 2013, 1:07 am

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Or you might just puzzle as to what any of this actually means to Bart. I would opt for egregious mischief making.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/best/plot/crutem4vgl

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May 5, 2013, 10:22 pm

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Now Chief me dear, yer know we serfs are sus – pish-us
( Is that how yer spell it M _OK? ) of power grabs,
“be- wear the char – is -mat – ick leader,”…even u )
yer see, I’m ack -chu -ally publishing in TSU_ground,
a lo-o-o-ng opinion piece on the ” great – leader syndrome.”
Yer can, of course, put yer case fer way – ter – go and
art – of -war stratergies and we will listen, Chief. So,
okay, yer comment gets published.
A c-g-s

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May 5, 2013, 10:27 pm

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The Skeptical Warmist (aka R. Gates) | May 5, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Reply Myrrh,

You should track the correlation of the consumption of coffee with the rise in CO2, or any of the following:

1) The number of unwanted teen pregnancies
2) The number Walgreens stores
etc.

None of your examples relevant to my point – coca and pepsi cola release gigatons of carbon dioxide every year – how does the rise of sales globally track with the global warming during its increase in sales and spread globally?

This is anthropogenic production of carbon dioxide – shouldn’t these be banned?

Max_OK | May 5, 2013 at 6:07 pm | I get it. You think anthropogenic global warming is no more a result of rising atmospheric carbon dioxide than it is a result of rising sales of Coke and Pepsi.

Nope, I think coca and pepsi cola are the major cause of global warming.

So you must think it’s the result of something else. Well, if its anthropogenic and you rule out carbon dioxide, that leaves some other GHG’s. It also leaves UHI. Are you a Watts?

I think it is directly the fault of coca and pepsi cola. All of it.

Fizzy drinks created global warming.

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May 5, 2013, 10:37 pm

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Perhaps you all know this already. I’ve just seen it. The New York Times says James Hansen is retiring to further his career as an activist.

James Hansen is Leaving NASA to Intensify His Campaign for Carbon Cuts
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/james-hansen-is-leaving-nasa-to-intensify-his-campaign-for-carbon-cuts/

Apologies if this has already been discussed above.