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Comment on Has science lost its way? by GaryM

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willard,

You actually addressed what was in my comment? Are you OK?

But of course, you did get it wrong. Still no evidence that any skeptics said “that scientists are told or forced to retract their findings if they reflect any uncertainty about AGW.”

The supposed evidence was to a comment on another blog, by claiming “I think the general view was that Latif *had* to protest as he did, since he was no doubt coming under pressure from the community for having ‘given the sceptics ammunition’”?

Where did Letif make any change to his work that was he was supposedly “told or forced” to?

Joshua links to a discussion in which he raised his view of the reactions of skeptics’ to Latif’s work, and another commenter. The other commenter says “I’m not sure what reaction to Latif you are talking about. I don’t doubt you have seen such, but it’s not something I’ve noticed.”

Where is the work that Latif supposedly retracted due to being “told or forced” to do so? Where is any accusation by anyone that he did so?

Just as Joshua shouldn’t post the links that he thinks supports his conspiracist delusion, you should go back to pretending to being cryptic. When you come right out and say something affirmative, you just end up embarrassing yourself.


Comment on Is Earth in energy deficit? by Vaughan Pratt

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@JC: May I take it from your post that you agree that the empirical data shows that the world has, indeed, been cooling since 2003?

Yes indeed, as could have been predicted decades ago. The decline for the past 120 months has been −0.33 °C/century.

The trend of +3.4 °C/century for the last 36 months could also have been predicted back then. Do you expect the next 36 months to suddenly turn around and climb right back down?

I’m not suggesting you should say no, in fact you’d disappoint me if you didn’t say it was pretty certain to go down super fast in order to offset that 3.4 degrees per century rise of the last 36 months. You realize hat’s ten times the decline of the last 120 months, don’t you?

Clearly you’re not a betting man or by now you’d be looking around for places to hedge your bets.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by Teddi

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Bull to you [Bad] Appell! The planet warms, then Co2 rises…

The wrong assumptions by cult like “scientists” that follow their “beliefs” as opposed to the science can be [and has been] more catastrophic.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by Mike Jonas

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Science progresses one funeral at a time. – Max Planck

Comment on Has science lost its way? by Shiv

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I have no idea where you did your PhD. You have been taught very poorly in your grad school. Yes it is true, that most papers arent often right. But that is an artifact rather than an intended effect. You act as if it is a feature, rather than a bug. You are expected to get everything you write to be right without question, when you write a paper. A good professor (granted, most dont have the time and dont do this most of the time) should make sure even the grad student’s run of the mill papers are checked thoroughly before it is sent to publication. My professor used to have other students and other professors within and without the research group review it for errors before he would let me send it to publications. There is of course no guarantee that there are no errors. But the objective of the authors should be, not to have errors, particularly serious errors of the kind that the posting above talks about. if you cant reproduce the basic result from your paper, that should NEVER be published in any journal. Period. This is how science is supposed to make progress. Not the horse puckey you advocate as science.

Color me unimpressed with your PhD. I have one. PhDs these days are dime a dozen. Doesnt correlate directly to quality or quantify of understanding. The crap you propogate about science proves that amply.

Your M.O here is too straightforward to miss:

1. Harangue everyone on where the evidence or reference is
2. But you provide NONE. absolutely nothing for your own claims such as the garbage you spewed above about science and publications. Pls provide us some authoritative reference showing your idea of science, scientific process, publication process and intent, journal objectives etc is the correct one to exclusion of all others who you have been haranguing.
3. repeat your claims over and over again without any evidence, while repeatedly demanding evidence from others for even trivial things, just so they get tired and go away. No one (particuarly if they do science for a living) has the time to go up and down the thread and address every one of your posts and call you on it.
4. And of couse if anyone does respond to you with substantive evidence and links and arguments, you skip them conveniently and move onto someone else who makes general arguments.

It is obvious you were a terrible scientist for the length of time you were, assuming you really were. It is good that you got out of it. But then again it is obvious you are horrendous journalist as well. A good journalist (let alone a half decent scientiest) should be skeptical, enquiring and neutral, be ready to examine all sides, even the ones that might not be eventually right. You are way too much in one camp to be a worthy journalist. Spare us the sermons and go away.

dont bother haranguing me with your constant asks for this or that. I can see thru your crap and have way way better things to do in life than to respond to you. I must be insane to waste even this much time on you. But then again, I have had enough of your distraction. I would rather hear other folks arguments, right or wrong. Hence the response to your diatribe.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by dennis adams

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The way that David is all worked up tonight sounds like he may be a Bama’ fan. Gotta take it out on someone

Comment on Is Earth in energy deficit? by Orbital forcings in the CSALT model : explain the pause? | context/Earth

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[…] The CSALT model has much in common with historical climate data reanalysis, which one can gather from reading this comment. […]

Comment on Has science lost its way? by manacker

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Judith Curry

You conclude

So, has science lost it’s way? I don’t think so, but the Science/Nature publishing model and the way that universities reward scientists are providing perverse incentives that do not serve well the societally-relevant applications of science.

As it relates specifically to climate science, one could conclude that the Climategate tapes and subsequent revelations did reveal that “science had lost its way”.

But one could also argue that this was just a small insider group of scientists who were bending (or overtly breaking) the rules, in order to stop any views or scientific findings, which dissented from their own personal beliefs and who did not hesitate from fudging, skewing or hiding data to get their message across, i.e. the “consensus” CAGW message being promoted by IPCC.

This is bad enough, but not a case of (climate) “science losing its way”.

Yet one could argue that there is more to it than just a corrupted IPCC “consensus” process, editors of scientific journals that selectively pick the articles they will publish based on whether or not they support the “consensus” message and a handful of overzealous climatologists who broke the rules and became advocates instead of scientists.

It is the system, itself, and the root cause is the IPCC.

As Michael Eisen wrote:

“The journals want the papers that make the sexiest claims. And scientists believe that the way you succeed is having splashy papers in Science or Nature — it’s not bad for them if a paper turns out to be wrong, if it’s gotten a lot of attention.”

Searching for the scientific “truth” has been replaced with searching for scientific “proof” that the IPCC “consensus” premise is correct and the more alarmist the article, the better the mainstream journals like it. Whether or not a paper “turns out to be wrong” is much less important than how well it meets the needs of the journals.

What makes this particularly egregious is that the taxpayers, who are funding this whole charade, are being misled and cheated by the very system they are financing. They are being sold exaggerated or patently untrue scare stories in order to feed the system.

When a US post-Climategate poll finds that almost 70% of the respondents believed that climate scientists fudged their data, this is a strong indication that climate science has, indeed, “lost its way”.

Honest climate scientists, like you or Roger Pielke, Sr. (or many others one could list), suffer because of this problem. Not only are you branded a “heretic” by some science journalists or members of the “consensus” crowd, but your field of science, itself, gets tarnished by the actions of this bunch.

It is sad.

And IMO as long as the IPCC exists in its present form, this problem will not get resolved.

Max


Comment on Is Earth in energy deficit? by stefanthedenier

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R. Gates aka Skeptical Warmist | November 29, 2013 at 11:03 am said: ”There is no question the oceans need our very focused policy attention. They have been taking the bulk of anthropogenic effects, but are at a breaking point in terms of the collapse of the ocean biosphere”

relax Gates, relax and stop worrying without reason. If the oceans get warmer / for any reason -.> evaporation increases / evaporation is cooling process.and equalizes in a jiffy.

when evaporation increases so do the clouds increase / clouds are the sun- umbrellas for the land and oceans. The creator of this perfect planet has solved all the problems by creating the laws of physics. Don’t leave in fear, you will wet the bed…

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Comment on Has science lost its way? by kim

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Nope, not missin’ it at all, I’m stirring.
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Comment on Has science lost its way? by Steven Mosher

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“It’s not like anybody previously took advantage of his sharing data to rush to the microphones with a critique before he could even post his results on WUWT. Oh wait….”

Actually, Watts gave Muller data from his First paper. in his testimony Muller confirmed the results from Watts first paper.

we are talking about the second paper which he published on the web.

pretty simple.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by kim

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People still arrest James Hansen? I’m so sorry.
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Comment on Has science lost its way? by kim

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You are funny, RG; they are still trying to disappear the Medieval Warm Period. Watch them get magical, now, and disappear the Modern Warm Period, apprentices that they be.
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Comment on Is Earth in energy deficit? by stefanthedenier

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Vaughan Pratt | November 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm said: ” And Is it something the public can perform themselves with publicly available data?”

Vaughn, in no ”publicly available data” is taken in consideration that: there is lots of oxygen & nitrogen in the atmosphere / they create horizontal and vertical winds, which is cooling the planet.

from midday to midnight they cool by 10-15-20C; in 12h

when the truth is known by the public, there will be long jail therms, without parole for B/S Merchants like you. Promoters of the phony data…disregarding what the O&N regulate overall temp to be always the same

if you show regret, remorse, I’ll visit you in jail


Comment on Has science lost its way? by kim

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Heh, the Team disemboweled themselves all over the ice, and it’s there, frozen in time.
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Comment on Has science lost its way? by kim

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What evah Nona wants, Nona gets.
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Comment on Has science lost its way? by R. Gates aka Skeptical Warmist

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Sadly, Watt’s study tells us very little or perhaps nothing at all about Earth’s ongoing energy imbalance, and was unfortunately a vain attempt to upstage Muller on the weekend before Muller was set to release his first NY Times article. The entire affair was rather sad, and should not be confused with actual climate science.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by phatboy

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Oh come on, Jim D, who really cares what a few conspiracy theorist nutters think?
Lewandowsky knew exactly what he was implying.

Comment on Has science lost its way? by Vaughan Pratt

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No disagreement there, very effective administrator. She was a great plane salesperson, sold the governor’s jet for a cool $2.1M (what was it new?). She also slashed property taxes 40% while raising sales taxes to pay for the Wasilla Sports Complex, and hired Robertson Monagle to lobby for $27M in congressional earmarks for Wasilla. She topped that off by rescinding 35 appointments made by the previous governor, increased taxes on oil companies, promoted the shooting of wolves from helicopters, then abruptly resigned.

Tough act for Minnesota’s Jesse Ventura to follow.

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