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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Ragnaar

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“It appears then that English law does not easily accept the results of scientific analysis… The analyses are frequently flawed and there can be little confidence in the methods adopted. The experts usually admit that the different methods will give different results. In some cases, the experts adopt incorrect logic and ignore evidence…

Causation was as understood by the man in the street, and not as understood by the scientist or the metaphysician…

The term “dominant cause” is intended to classify the event as ruling or prevailing over other events…

When the classification is used, there is no guidance on how the “dominant cause” is to be ascertained.”

http://www.atkinson-law.com/library/Chapter_1_Extract.pdf

Greenhouse gases as the dominant cause of recent global warming. What does it mean? What is the coherent message they are trying to send?


Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by John S.

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Rigorous theoretical development from first principles is always welcome, especially when closed-form solutions to problems provide analytic insights usually unavailable from numerical techniques. Rigorous empirical validation of theory, nevertheless, is still required! It will be interesting to see in future years how much in K&C translates into properly validated science leading to more realistic treatment of meso-scale cloud physics, presently a crucial lacuna in GCM models.

In particular, any solid improvement in understanding the formation, spectral emissivity, and dissipation of clouds of various thicknesses and altitudes would be very helpful. Clouds are, after all, what modulates the nearly constant TSI at TOA, turning it into unpredictably variable insolation that thermalizes Earth’s surface.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by fizzymagic

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Michael: You don’t believe a factor of between 3 and 7 is significant? Wow. Just wow.

I suppose even if you had basic math skills you would still disagree anyway.

Comment on JC interview on science communications by best carpet washer Victoria BC

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Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by Matthew R Marler

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WebHubTelescope: <i> This is about preventing someone down the line assuming that an effect is proportional to kT instead of the accepted Arrhenius rate-law exp(-E/kT) , based on what a textbook asserts. </i> In which equation did they do that?

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by DocMartyn

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” hence if you accept his broader argument then you’d have to explain why views on climate change are an outlier”

Because the questions he asks are a product of his own biases. He does not for instance ask about the use of genetically modified food, organically grown food, nuclear power, the use of human embryos in research and the use of animals in research.
Even something as simple as who killed JFK as an internal control sail’s beneath his radar.

Comment on Trenberth’s science communication interview by Kneel

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I’m not sure what qualifies as well funded either, however didn’t Al Gore boast of spending $300 million on “education” efforts? If true, that means one private individual spent more than half the “denial machine” funding figure – than add Greenpeace, WWF etc as JC notes. And note further the denial figure is for a seven year period, or about $80M/p.a. Even here in the antipodes, our (previous) government spend more than this on advertising the “risks of climate change”. Jo Nova suggests the funding runs about 1000:1 (consensus:denial) – there must be some really good (bad) campaign/advertising people on the denial(consensus) side if the consensus is complaining of “losing the battle” for public support.
Or perhaps the general population is smart enough to figure it out for themselves – or dumb enough not to understand the smartest people in the room. Or perhaps they’ve noticed that the smartest people in the room tend to espouse things that improve their own financial position. Or that engineers and other practical people with no small amount of education themselves have some rather large doubts about the wisdom and practicality of the carbon reduction schemes being championed by – most especially – Big Finance.
For myself, I find the dearth of evidence for pending catastrophy, the refusal to correct the science because “it doesn’t affect the conclusion of the paper”, the refusal to allow non-believers acces to the data, and the manipulation of that same data to be more than mildly concerning – to be sure, the level of concern is ratcheted up by the unfathomably large amount of (mostly public) money being thrown around, but even disregarding that side, what amounts to lying and cheating does not go down very well, especially when those doing so are appealing to high moral and ethical standards (eg “think of the (
grand) children!)

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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by DocMartyn

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Fernando, I know you were being facetious, but Galton got the weight of an ox that way

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by willard (@nevaudit)

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> You need the times.

You also need objective answers, and even if you have these, it provides no reason to coerce anyone for anything.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Jim D

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kim, the basic science says business-as-usual leads to 4 C above pre-industrial temperatures around 2100. If the skeptics agree with this part of basic science, this would be a great starting point, but they don’t. The disagreement is about basic science. Many think 4 C by 2100 is near impossible even with all the emissions we will be adding. If only the skeptics agreed on basic science, we could have the debate about the effects of 4 C or whether we should start looking at alternative and cleaner energy. Or rather, that debate has already started without hem, but the skeptics could finally join it.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Joe Duarte

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Hi Judith – From your quote of the Verheggen, et al paper, it appears they used the **exact same search in WoS** that Cook et al used. Oh snap. I only skimmed that paper when a commenter on my blog mentioned it, and never noticed the search they used. That search results in a ton of non-climate papers, including all the psychology papers, surveys of the general public, papers analyzing TV coverage, etc. that I found in the Cook scam.

If Verheggen et al did not screen out social science papers, or all the other non-climate papers, like all the irrelevant engineering papers, and it appears they did not, then their results are voided — their poll consists of the authors of those papers. We can’t do anything with their study or their numbers if they’re polling authors of those papers. I wish I’d caught this earlier…

(The engineering paper phenomenon I discovered was many, many iterations of: Hey guys, you all know about global warming… let me tell you about this new membrane I’ve developed, or this new diesel engine design, or this new atomic layer deposition technqiue.)

All those papers would go into their “mitigation” category if they used they same scheme as Cook et al. The quality of their questionnaire will become moot if this is the case. Now we would think that engineers, psychologists, pollsters, sociologists, and what have you who are polled as part of a study of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change would be confused and tell the researchers “Yo, I’m not a climate scientist, or even in a related field. I don’t even study the natural world. You don’t want me.” But after Cook I’ve lost my power to be surprised by consensus studies.

The mitigation and impacts categories also create a structural bias that invalidates such studies. There is no disconfirming counterpart to mitigation or impacts papers/authors. There is no opposite of a mitigation paper, which will almost always be counted as endorsement. Same with impacts (unless there is an explicit category of Minimized Impacts or DIsputed Impacts, or like your hurricanes paper, disputing the evidence of causation) Cook’s Impacts category description (Table 1) does not contemplate minimization, no do the available guidelines in the rater forums (forums which violated their stated method.)

To illustrate, if talking about climate gets an engineering paper counted as endorsement, how does an engineering paper get counted as rejection? Most won’t talk about climate. Will they count as rejection? Could an engineering paper say “Yeah, we’re not talking about climate” and count as rejection? There’s no way. It becomes even worse with social science papers. If a paper that analyzes TV coverage of AGW counts as scientific endorsement of AGW, does a paper that analyzes Taco Bell commercials count as rejection?

The use of “mitigation” papers invalidates the method completely. (The TV paper was counted as mitigation by Cook.) It’s trickier because they’re polling the authors of such papers, but from the Methods section they didn’t exclude non-climate scientists, or even psychologists. The said this: “By also soliciting responses from signatories of public statements who are not necessarily publishing scientists, it is likely that viewpoints that run counter to the prevailing consensus are somewhat magnified in our results.”

This will turn out to be false if they included a bunch of the unrelated papers’ authors. The results will need to be recomputed excluding all the non-climate science respondents.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by PA

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Well, I actually read the study:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/es501998e

This study is interesting in view of the following:

http://news.sciencemag.org/scientific-community/2014/07/1-scientific-publishing

1% of scientists publishes 41% of papers and is a co-author on 87%.

6550 people were contacted. 1868 responded with 379 (almost 1/4) in the the 30-300 group publication group. This is a fringe of about 1% of the science population. There should have been only 65 in their study – total. If the 1868 were a random sample there would only be 18.7 (it is hard to cut up people into sections smaller than 10ths accurately).

Of the vast majority of the scientists (0-3 is perhaps 90% of scientists) only 55% believe in IPCC strong warming. About 28% believe in moderate warming (skeptics) and the rest are some form of “denier” (it’s slight, it’s cooling, I don’t know and/or don’t care).

Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by Diag

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The correspondence principle states that a new theory or parameterization should not reject the previous correct theory or parameterization but rather generalize them

keyword: ‘correct’. Desirable but not sufficient. This may be about as useful as the precautionary principle. Better to say that the new theory should explain all the known facts as well or better than the old theory. Even so it is usually a hard sell.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by thisisnotgoodtogo

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No, the basic science does not say 4 degrees, Jim D.
The basic science says there should be some warming influence from GHGs.


Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by DocMartyn

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Borehole data are direct measurements of temperature from boreholes drilled into the Earth's crust. Departures from the expected increase in temperature with depth (the geothermal gradient) <b>can be interpreted in terms of changes in temperature at the surface in the past</b>, which have slowly diffused downward, warming or cooling layers meters below the surface.

Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by Carrick

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Here is the Google preview of Judith's book. <a href="books.google.com/books?isbn=1316060713" rel="nofollow">Link</a> It includes the page in which WHUT was disputing the use of Bose-Einstein physics

Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by Carrick

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Link got butchered by word press I think. Try again with raw link.

books.google.com/books?isbn=1316060713

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by DocMartyn

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“Published papers that seek to test what caused the climate change over the last century and half, almost unanimously find that humans played a dominant role.”

I can agree with that. Huge changes in the landscape, altering water movements, pumping of water from aquifers and changing the levels of atmospheric CO2 have increased the temperature in the last 150 years by 0.8 of a degree.
Doubling CO2 from 280 to 560 ppm will probably add something between 0.6 and 0.9 degrees.

Forget bacon, wheres the beef?

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Jim D

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