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Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Dr Norman Page

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The principal components of the drivers of climate change are different at different time scales. Check Fig 4 at

http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com

This shows clearly where we are relative to the Milankovitch cycles – i e we are on the way down to the next ice age.
The Milankovitch cycles are then modulated by solar activity cycles of varying lengths – Most important for climate forecasting are the 60 year and especially the 1000 year cycle. For the latter see Figs 5 ,9 , and for the former Figs 15 and 16 at

http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com

The catastrophic schoolboy error of the modelers is to try to forecast future trends based on 70 years or so of data when the most pertinent time scale is millennial. This is exactly like taking a temperature trend from say Feb – June and then projecting it ahead in a straight line for 20 years or so – basically bonkers!!
Judith is still chiefly occupied with these shorter term data sets when the real action is at the millennial level.


Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Jim D

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I prefer not to use models in this formulation. It is observation based. Try disputing the statements I made instead of what you might think about models.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Matthew R Marler

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Jim D: <i>I prefer not to use models in this formulation. It is observation based. </i> All of your statements are based on models.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Jim D

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Not sure what you mean. You don’t need a climate model to show any of these. People like Lewis and Curry, who don’t necessarily believe in models, have implicitly endorsed all of these statements based just on what they see.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Brandon Shollenberger

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Matthew R Marler, I can’t help but notice your latest response doesn’t even attempt to address my recent comments as a whole. You apparently misunderstood my intended meaning, which is fine, but that we’ve now had this many comments go by without you acknowledging it is a shame. My meaning was quite simple, and there is no reason we should be unable to agree what it was. I suspect the problem is you continue to say things like:

With those, the discussion is unambiguous. You can make the discussion unambiguous by specifying other measures of accuracy and precision. For whatever measures you choose, achievement of a sufficient level of accuracy requires achievement of a sufficient level of precision.

Which are nothing more than hand-waving. There is no inherent reason a “sufficient level of accuracy” as measured by MSE would require “a sufficient level of precision.” You’ve done nothing to support the claim there is save to falsely claim improving accuracy requires improving both accuracy and variance.

There are times when significant variance is acceptable but bias is not. In these cases, a large degree of imprecision might be tolerated. In other cases, bias may be acceptable while only a little variance could be tolerated. In these cases, only a small degree of imprecision might be tolerated. Despite having very different requirements, both of these cases could be represented by the same MSE value. So when you say:

Given two models of equal accuracy, you have a choice between the one with the smaller bias and the one with the greater precision. I think that accuracy is the first consideration, and precision is the second, when evaluating both in the choice of model.

You’re merely stating an opinion which does not match all real-life requirements. It may match many, and perhaps it even matches the GCMs used in climate science, but it is not some inherent truth everyone must accept simply because you tell them to.

I honestly don’t know why you take issue with my position. I’ve scarcely ever had someone suggest looking at more measures of a model’s skill is inappropriate.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Don Monfort

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The pause messes up your little formulation, jimmy.

1. the warming stopped
2. it ain’t warming
3. manmade emissions have run amok

Comment on Week in review by rls

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Tony,

Came across this today in Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2000 Years – a report from the National Research Council:

“There are two major structural challenges. First, the amount of high-quality proxy data available for analysis decreases markedly as one moves back in time. The great richness of tree ring network data available for 1700, for example, is largely depleted by A.D. 1000. Large-scale temperature reconstructions should always be viewed as having a “murky” early period and a later period of relative clarity. The boundary between murkiness and clarity is not precise but is nominally around A.D. 1600.”

The report does acknowledge the MWP and the LIA and does give credit to historical literature.

Richard

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Jim D

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Don M, what did you choose as your base period and why? Think. Why do you think Lewis and Curry were wrong to conclude that even a small greenhouse effect accounts for the warming? If there are 3 things the actual scientists can agree on, it is the 3 I listed in those words.


Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by JustinWonder

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Mike Flynn – “You may well find patterns, waves, synchronicities and correlations wherever you look. It is in our nature, I believe.”

What a joy to read! Yes, humans are excellent at pattern recognition and are fooled by randomness.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Wagathon

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“it’s a pretty good bet that we are going to go nearly a quarter of a century without warming.” ~Patrick Micharels (2013)

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by JCH

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NPR covered it. CA covered it. That I can find, FOX did not.

There are not versions of all the science is settled by climate scientists everywhere you look. If you see them, that would be confirmation bias.

And we are hovering just under the warmest temperature in the instrument record. Warmer now than 1998.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Thurman

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Why viewers stilll maake usee off too read neqs papers when iin this technological globe all is accessibl
on web?

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Don Monfort

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I don’t need to choose no stinking base period, jimmy. You want the distraction of quibbling interminably about a base period, take it up with someone else.

I am talking about the pause that is killing the cause. Everybody knows about the pause. Stop playing dumb.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Rob Ellison

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The future like the past is chaotic – although in principle deterministic it is fundamentally unpredictable at present.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Wagathon

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…because, climatology has been likened to the ancient science of astrology?


Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Ed Barbar

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It was found that they would synchronise at certain times and then shift into a new state.

So in this theory, and it makes sense to me, the question is how does one determine the “Stable states,” and perhaps also what conditions will pull the system out of the stable state into a transitionary period. You may not know what “stable state” you will end up in, as it’s too chaotic.

I’m wondering whether you would agree with this analogy. In the Gore v. Bush election, Florida was essentially “in the noise.” The well named Butterfly ballot of a well intentioned Democrat election official ended up throwing several thousand votes to Bush (and the press calling FL for Gore cost Bush votes). The result was a fairly significant change across the world, as Bush was president, instead of Gore. The new state was very hard to determine.

However, the instability was clear running up to the election, that it was highly unstable.

Anyway, this makes a lot of sense to me. The problem is it becomes much harder to say much at all about what’s going to happen.

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by kim

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The smell of the ink, the feel of the paper. Naw, the ads don’t jiggle.
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Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Peter Davies

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+1 Millennial time scales is the most appropriate for prediction of climate trends but proxy paleo data is of insufficient temporal/spacial resolution for this purpose. We will have to sit this exercise (prediction) out until the satellite time series reaches around 500 years long and that will be long after our time everyone!

Comment on Two contrasting views of multidecadal climate variability in the 20th century by Rob Ellison

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You have to look for it? Obama is a poster boy – and the best they can do is say that climate scientists deny that climate science is settled. Yet they are 95-99% certain that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. It’s a joke right? .

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