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Comment on Letter to the dragon slayers by Doug Cotton

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What do you expect to prove by the contents of a vacuum flask getting hotter because it has an electric element adding thermal energy faster than such energy can escape?

Is your concept of any greenhouse effect so primitive that you think there is an analogy.

Laugh all you like, Pete. You haven’t read the paper itself, after all.

You wouldn’t seriously expect me to associate my name with any authors, climatologists or publications which, like you, support the AGW hoax, usually for private financial gain or status. Follow the money, indeed.

Funny how experiments with gases and spectrometers confirm exactly what Claes deduced.

Funny how experiments testing for any slowing of the cooling process by backradiation cannot find any difference in temperatures between shielded objects and unshielded ones at night.

When you have some evidence of warming by backradiation, or warm gases absorbing emission from cooler sources, then you might have me worried. Not before. I’ll be waiting.

PSI membership is free and they have 13 recent new members including myself just joined today, actually.


Comment on Messes and super wicked problems by cui bono

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David -

You should have picked a Yamal tree rather than an Issue tree. At the tenth layer, there is still only one node. :-)

Comment on Messes and super wicked problems by Tom

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Web, in 1904 you could buy a gallon of karosene for just three cents out of your silver dollar. The FED as devalued the dollar over time until today it is worth just a few cents. Nothing has really changed except the purchasing power of the dollar which has declined over the years. The next move from two cents to a penny will mean a quick double in cost for everything we need to stay alive. But you already knew that…

Comment on 21st century solar cooling by The Real Richard Black BBC

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Oh Mr Mosher, you have jumped down off the “buy my book look how nasty climate science is” onto the mad side of the fence again I see.

So we have to accept that C02 is a driver of climate because we *know* it’s a greenhouse gas and it’s definitely going up.

But we can’t look at a graph of the UK sunshine hours and see exactly the same upwards trend and conclude anything from that?

So you are saying that increased sunshine hours being recorded (around 8% since 1979) is irrelevant.

Despite that fact it’s something we “know”, we must ignore more sunshine hours, even though their increase points to less cloud cover in that time period?

Comment on Messes and super wicked problems by cui bono

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A normal response to spending centuries trying to square the circle and finding it can’t be done would be “can anyone remember why we wanted to do this in the first place?”

If a problem is intractable, dump it and do something to help solve the problems which aren’t.

Plenty of real problems out there – clean water for all would be my top one.

Comment on Demon Coal by Joe's World

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Judith,

It sucks! I live in Ontario and our Premier has totally screwed the people.

Comment on Demon Coal by cwon14

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From one fraud to the next.

Greens should simply be rejected, it’s only complicated in Dr. Curry’s mind based on on embedded social/political bias which should discussed openly not buried and taboo which it clearly is.

What qualifies climate war vets (losing side especially) from commenting on energy policy or coal?? Looks like zilch reasons to me. No gravitas should be given.

Comment on Demon Coal by omanuel

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Professor Curry: Please consider the possibility of encapsulating and using waste products from nuclear reactors as concentrated sources of energy – instead of waste products to be hidden underground or stored indefinitely for future generations to dispose – so mankind can return to the nucleus where energy is stored as rest mass.

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Comment on 21st century solar cooling by Volker Doormann

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stefanthedenier says: March 12, 2012 at 2:19 am |
“ the only heavenly bodies that interferes with the sunlight, is the moon, Venus and Mercury. They reflect lots of sunlight not to come to here – when they go between the sun and the earth – but the temperature stays the same. “

That’s no true. If Mercury goes between Sun and Earth (or Sun goes between Mercury and Earth), the global temperature is increased:

http://www.volker-doormann.org/images/sea_level_vs_rst.gif
http://www.volker-doormann.org/Sea_level_vs_solar_tides1.htm

V.

Comment on Demon Coal by Bad Andrew

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“Demon Coal”

“Uncertainty Monster”

“Wicked Problem”

Fetish, anyone? ;)

Andrew

Comment on Demon Coal by dp

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I have for a very long time now thought of and have spoken of climate as being the framework within which weather happens. It cannot tell you precisely what the weather will be but can lead you to conclude what the weather cannot do. It sets bounds without predicting specific characteristics. That is what the sheets say.

Comment on 21st century solar cooling by stefanthedenier

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@ Wagathon | March 12, 2012 at 11:17 am | + Vaughan Pratt

Wagathon and Vaughan Pratt, listen very, very carefully: H2O + CO2 are a ”Shade-cloth effect gases”, NOT greenhouse effect. Put some H2O, or soot on the roof of a normal greenhouse – you will see that; inside gets much COLDER! 2] Oxygen + nitrogen are a the greenhouse gases.

O+N as transparent, let the sunlight trough to the ground; SAME as GLASS ROOF of a normal greenhouse – then, O+N, as perfect insulators are SLOWING COOLING, same as roof of a normal greenhouse. The moon is on average cooler than the earth, because the unlimited coldness there is touching the ground – on the earth, that unlimited coldness is separated by 30km layer off O+N as BEST insulators / the troposphere. B] Inside the polystyrene, O+N are the insulators. Compare the amount of O+N in the troposphere V the amount of other gases.

Wagaton, it’s the ”mother of all stupidity” to blame water vapor as a bad gas for climate. If comparison of Brazil against Sahara cannot prove to you how wrong and BACK TO FRONT the propaganda is – proves that: ignorance is very harmful. For where is better climate, ask the trees: Sahara, or Brazil? C] around Kyoto city is 1000% more CO2, than in Australian desert; healthy trees around Kyoto, but not in the desert; what are the two reasons?!?!?!

Comment on Demon Coal by John another

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Ron Abate March 12, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Thank you for the perspective and the correct nomenclature. But the people on the outside of this business fail to understand the business, (that’s why useful idiots are given 401K and energy is in most portfolios).

Comment on 21st century solar cooling by stefanthedenier

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@ Jim D | March 11, 2012 at 12:54 am

Jim D, you are referring to ”fake Skeptics” they believe 101% in the phony GLOBAL warmings. Real skeptic doesn’t believe that was any GLOBAL warming for the last 150years. Talking about the phony warming as real – doesn’t make it real. Not enough extra warming has accumulated for the last 150y, to boil one chicken egg. The fakes are busy doing the Warmist’ dirty job; no time to use logic and common sense

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Comment on Demon Coal by Fred Moolten

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“The statistical associations made in the red meat and beverage studies don’t prove that these two dietary factors actually caused negative health outcomes, but the links remained after researchers took into account a variety of other factors that might have also contributed, such as body weight, smoking habits, hypertension, and diabetes.”

I ordinarily don’t comment on off-topic errors such as Gary’s, but the implications of the study are important, and shouldn’t be dismissed casually. I haven’t read the original article myself, and maybe it contains serious errors, but the people who do these studies are very smart – possibly much smarter than some of the people who criticize them.

Just sayin’

Comment on Demon Coal by Bad Andrew

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“the people who do these studies are very smart”

Of course they are, Fred. Of course they are. They are so smart that they do… studies and stuff.

Andrew

Comment on Demon Coal by Steve Fitzpatrick

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Hi Judith,
I must admit to being a little bit puzzled by this post. Coal is no more a demon than any other fossil fuel. To the extent that coal emits more CO2 than other fossil fuels: define a specific cost for a Kg of CO2, then calculate how demonic coal is.

Comment on 21st century solar cooling by Vaughan Pratt

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Net is for tax purposes.

Are you saying capitalism without taxes is an impossibility, John? New one on me. My understanding was that net was for determining profit, and that tax was based on profit.

Besides capitalism you also have a very different understanding of the carbon cycle from me. As can be seen in the second (green) graph of this figure, the Vostok ice cores show CO2 as varying between 180 and 300 ppmv for the past 400,000 years, a range of 120 ppmv, with the highest reading throughout that whole period being 298.7 ppmv 323,000 years ago. In particular the last five readings were as follows. BP = Before Present (in years) = Before 1999.

BP….PPMV
8113 259.6
7327 254.6
6220 262.2
3833 268.1
3634 272.8
2342 284.7

Fitting a trend line to this, the rate of rise was 0.43 ppmv per century throughout those 6,000 years. This gives some idea of how fast CO2 changes when there are only a few million humans and only biofuel consumption (wood burning), with no significant use of fossil fuels.

Contrast that with the 53-year period 1958 to 2011, lasting a mere 0.013% of those 400,000 years. During that incredibly short period (by geological standards) CO2 rose from 314 ppmv to 394 ppmv, a rise of 80 ppmv. Furthermore in 1958 it was rising at a rate of 71 ppmv/century (0.71 ppmv/year) while today it is rising at a rate of 251 ppmv/century (2.51 ppmv/year).

During that period human population rose from 3 million to 7 million, while human emission of CO2 into the atmosphere increased from 2.5 to 10 GtC per year (and that’s without counting the additional CO2 attributable to how we’ve been changing land use over that period). Hence each human has almost doubled their consumption of energy as measured by CO2 emissions over that period.

It is as correct to say that humans are only adding 5% of what nature is adding to the atmosphere as it is to list only the income of a company without listing its expenses, when deciding which company to invest in. Tax is irrelevant in that consideration assuming all companies pay their fair share of taxes. But to neglect the fact that nature is removing 100% of what she adds plus 53% of what humans add is to fail to realize that only by removing more like 100% of what humans add can nature stop this astonishly rapid rise in CO2, which today is 251/0.43 = 583 times as fast as during the period 8113-2342 Before Present, and at the present rate of increase will be twice that in 30 years time!

Note that I’m not claiming this breakneck pace is catastrophic, merely that it is much faster than anything shown in the ice cores over the last 400,000 years. My expertise is limited to the quantitative, and I have no idea how to quantify catastrophes.

Comment on Demon Coal by pokerguy

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Cwon,
Let’s stipulate for the sake of discussion that there really is some giant green conspiracy, and that AGW was cooked up as part of a diabolical plan to take over the world. And let’s further suppose that J.C. calls a press conference and alleges as much. “This is not about science, ” says she. “It’s a Green AGW culture cabal and henceforth I’m going to call it like it is.”

What do you suppose would be the practical results of such a statement?

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