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Comment on Week in review – science edition by PA

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Someone has to explain to me why the raw data is being slowly mutated into the model data and what the justification is.

An obvious point that doesn’t seem to be grasped by some climate scientists that there can’t be significant surface warming without it showing up in the TLT satellite and radiosonde data.

Since the satellites and the radiosondes are in close agreement – there is something suspect in the surface adjustments. Perhaps UHI is not being handled properly.

There is pretty clearly a massive UHI effect. The peak IR from an asphalt road is up to 600 W/m2 at the latitude of Kobe Japan (Little Rock Arkansas)
Grassland has between 180 W/m2 and negative sensible peak heat loss depending on the grass and the location.
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http://www.intechopen.com/books/human-and-social-dimensions-of-climate-change/quantification-of-the-urban-heat-island-under-a-changing-climate-over-anatolian-peninsula
A Turkish study found a 4°C change between rural and urban areas from 1965 to 2006.


Comment on Eco – (post) modernism by jim2

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In order to prove ID, one would have to execute an appropriate controlled experiment. Otherwise, it ain’t science. Just like a lot of global warming constructs.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Danny Thomas

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I’m guessing it’s still covered under the ‘anthropogenic’ criteria.

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Comment on Week in review – science edition by justinwonder

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JCH

“I grew up … in 4-H in the Dakotas.”

Now that sounds cool…totally different from my experience. You mentioned hay and some other rural things previously. I bet there is a good story or two in there. You are still deluded about CAWG, but that’s ok.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by justinwonder

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Interesting that the moose survived…I guess swamps are tough places to hunt with skeeters and all…

Comment on Week in review – science edition by PA

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If the current rate of sea level rise is sustained to the end of the century, it is one foot or so, but it does not take much acceleration to get to 1 meter.

Huh?

The IPCC only claims 1 meter from 1900 from what I can tell.

But what the heck lets compute a 1 meter rise from 2000.

The current sea level rise is 3.0 mm/y (the high end satellite number). The 0.3 mm of virtual sea level rise (GIA) is being ignored because it is virtual.

3.0 mm *100 is 0.3 m. That leaves 0.7 m to account for. We will assume constant acceleration because it is better to be consistent than to be right.

0.7 m in 85 years requires an acceleration of 0.194 mm/y2 or 1.94 mm/D2 (per decade per decade). In 2025 the sea level rise would have to be 4.94 mm/y. In 2100 the rate would be 20 mm/y (6.7 times higher than today).

To me that doesn’t seem likely.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Jim D

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Starting with 1 mm/yr which we can attribute to the polar glaciers, you can get to a meter in 85 years with a 15-year doubling time of their melt rate and 5 meters with a 10-year doubling time.


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Comment on Week in review – science edition by JCH

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For a couple of minutes I tried to find their numbers for 2015. No luck. <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/01/thoughts-on-2014-and-ongoing-temperature-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-623745" rel="nofollow">Dick Dee did comment at RC back in January.</a>

Comment on Risk assessment: What is the plausible ‘worst scenario’ for climate change? by Vaughan Pratt

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HAS: the RCP8.5’s assumed CO2 emissions are a long way from exponential.

How did CO2 emissions come into this?

As usual I have not been clear. I am in full agreement with you about ham and eggs: if we had ham we could have a ham and egg sandwich, if we had eggs. If your point there is that there are many assumptions underlying the processes conjectured to be driving rising CO2, then yes, absolutely.

I am not interested in any of them.

My candidate for the reference point closest to RCP8.5 pays no attention to ham, eggs, volcanoes, aliens, or CO2 emissions, none of which can be shown to be exponential.

In particular the CDIAC estimate of CO2 emissions since 1750 is far from exponential, showing a CAGR on the order of 15% during the latter half of the 19th century but considerably less than that during the 20th century. Furthermore the CAGR of CO2 emissions has been wandering all over the place throughout the 20th century and on into this one.

Just to rub this in, if CO2 does have more than one exponential driver, then unless they all differ from each by at most a mere constant factor their net effect cannot be exponential because it is mathematically impossible for the sum of distinct exponentials to be an exponential.

What I’m proposing is to look at one thing, and one thing only: the CO2 concentration itself, ignoring all possible drivers of it, exponential or not.

Its excess over 280 ppmv has been growing very nicely at a straightforward exponential rate whose CAGR, in stark contrast to that of CO2 emissions, has held remarkably steady at 2.2% over the past half century.

If we knew more about the drivers we could forecast a departure from this steady CAGR.

But since the drivers present us with a complicated story that is hard to piece together, and even those pieces do not take into account the terrestrial and ocean sinks, climate feedbacks, etc., I propose ignoring all the possible drivers—ham, eggs, volcanoes, aliens, and the rest—and replacing the problematic notion of “business as usual” with the very simple concept of continued exponential growth of excess CO2.

Whose simple formula is 1.022^(y − 1795). (Add 280 to get total atmospheric CO2, good for the last few thousand years.)

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Ragnaar

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Related to plankton:
Cascading top-down effects of changing oceanic predator abundances
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2656.2009.01531.x/full
Are the ocean Eco-systems predator or bottom up driven? It seems top down situations are being identified while most thought is with bottom up control. There’s a lack of data. We hear it’s climate change, when another species population changes. It might be changes in commercial fishing harvests. By controlling to the point of collapsing fisheries of the top species on the food chain, we might be controlling phytoplankton.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by PA

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Jim D | July 24, 2015 at 10:36 pm |
Is this the warming pattern you expect from UHI, or does the pattern by itself effectively kill that idea?

It is an interesting chart. It does illustrate that chopping down rainforest creates warming. There are the issues of accuracy and resolution so I’m not sure what it tells us.

I’ve downloaded data from Wabash Lake A in the orange Canada region and will plot it out to see if it matches their picture. Environment Canada seems to think it is accurate.

It seems that except for deserts and burned rainforests the tropical/subtropical area hasn’t warmed much.

Comment on Risk assessment: What is the plausible ‘worst scenario’ for climate change? by Steven Mosher

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VP

“What’s wrong with taking that as the definition of “business as usual”?

Stop being practical and logical !!!

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Joel Williams

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JCH,
are you implying that you believe the SL rise max will be just 1.2m above the 1700 level (only ~1 meter above current) in 2100 as the worst case? That is what the 1700-2100 graph you posted without commentary would indicate? Pretty mild considering the stuff “alarmists” are predicting!


Comment on Week in review – science edition by JCH

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I think it’s the current IPCC take on it.

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Comment on Eco – (post) modernism by Don Monfort

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This appears to be the substance of Springer’s theory of and evidence for intelligent design, jim:

“Our universe is a finely tuned construction at all scales from fundamental physics to the machinery of life. There is absolutely no precedent for construction like that to be merely happenstance.”

It’s not really finely tuned. It has been evolving for 14 billion years. An intelligent designer with the capabilities that Springer is imagining could have made a finished product. There is a lot of randomness and chaos in the universe. Things crash into other things. Stuff explodes and other stuff collapses. Black holes eat a lot of stuff that probably doesn’t want to get eaten. What’s that all about? Why would an intelligent being go to the trouble and expense to build that?

Life is especially random and chaotic. Other than the utility for providing precarious support for the only life that we know about, which for most living creatures is not at all pleasant, what is the use of all that stuff bouncing around, imploding and exploding? It really doesn’t make sense that an intelligent being would design such a contraption. A mad genius, perhaps?

Comment on Eco – (post) modernism by Don Monfort

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Springer is also silent on how the intelligent designer actually created the universe. He/she must be one very big dude/dudess.

Comment on Risk assessment: What is the plausible ‘worst scenario’ for climate change? by HAS

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Steven Mosher in response to VP: “What’s wrong with taking that as the definition of ‘business as usual’”?

“Stop being practical and logical !!!”

Hardly practical and logical when the authors of RCP8.5 have gone out of their way to create at a lower level of granularity a projection/scenario that says it isn’t business as usual. Rather as they note it “corresponds to a high greenhouse gas emissions pathway compared to the scenario literature .., and hence also to the upper bound of the RCPs”.

It would be more practical and logical to define it as what it is.

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