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Comment on U.S. National Climate Assessment Report by Pierre-Normand

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“No mention of convective equilibrium, or whatever you happen to believe Feynman said, whether he did or not.”

He says “mechanical equilibrium”, which means the same thing. It’s the conditions for the initial rise of the warm parcel of air to stop. Now, you mean to suggest that this paragraph implies that there never is any convective transport of warm air from the surface higher up when there is no condensation. But this interpretation is ridiculous. Feynman just is discussing what happens when the gradient is lower than the stable lapse rate (which he calls the “maximum stable gradient”), as it often is since it seldom exceeds it (as Feynman mentions) and the input from the Sun varies diurnally, and the gradient changes after rainfalls.

But I can’t figure out what point you might be trying to make. Are you really trying to convince me that there is no convection in the troposphere unless the dew point is reached? That means all the energy input from the Sun remains close to the ground or is only transported radiatively higher up?


Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by Bart R

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Wagathon | May 8, 2014 at 11:15 pm |

If you don’t know, you either don’t want to know, or you’ve been spending too much time reading propaganda and obfuscation full of name-calling, misdirection, irrelevancy and assertions without foundation.

The tip of a splinter is less than 0.01% of your body weight. Does it make a difference? It does when it touches a nerve.

Hormones are less than 0.01% of your body weight. Do they make a difference? What an absurd foundation for a question, to minimize the number one permanent greenhouse gas and the number one plant hormone modifying drug on the planet, in an argument appealing to the fallacy of personal incredulity.

“AGW True Believers”, “Climatist authoritarians”, “Government scientists”, “alarmism”, “chimera”, “witchdoctors”? Is there an epithet you have not yet used to accuse people who hold different views than yours of being inferior to you, out to get you, or otherwise inimical? This Tourette’s-like pattern of propaganda may let you avoid dealing with facts, but at the end of the day, you’re left with none of the credibility you vainly seek to steal from those who have the facts on their side.

AGW is real, it is significant, it is costly, and it is risky. It isn’t alarmism to say so; it’s alarmism to suggest economic ruin will befall anyone who accepts the inescapable conclusions of Science. AGW is imposed on most of us by few of you, who take much of value from most of us, without our consent, and without compensating most of us, because you have no compunction about taking what is not yours and hurting anyone if you don’t have to face the direct consequences.

A submarine is not the whole world, and red herrings about the air quality of enclosed spaces when the topic is radiative transfer physics in the open atmosphere and biochemistry of plants and microbes is simply misdirection. No one should still be such a naif at this late date as to fall for such ploys.

CO2 is _not_ a plant fertilizer in any sense, not a plant food above 200ppmv unless the plants are supplied with a surfeit of less plentiful nutrients in the artificial conditions of greenhouses or farmers’ fields, and CO2 has serious negative effects on plants and soil as its concentration increases above 280 ppmv. Pretending it isn’t so, covering your ears and shutting your eyes and yelling “La-la-la-la-CO2-IS-MANNA!” like Happer or the Idsos only makes the source out to be an unbalanced evangelical zealot, impossible to reason with, and unprofitable to deal with.

The topic is not convection and the GHE is not about closing windows in a car; even small children grasp the difference, so we must conclude you are intentionally trying to sew confusion with bafflegab and absurdity.

Climate Etc. has already seen all these falsehoods of yours trotted out, and like the Skydragon Slayers put to rest for the fictional spin they are. Beating your team of dead horses any more is just a waste of our time.

Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by Bart R

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Don Monfort | May 8, 2014 at 11:36 pm |

I’ve been found out. Obviously, R. Gates and I are the same person!

Oh. Wait. No, we aren’t.

READ HARDER.

If you’ve got nothing going for you but name-calling, the least you can do is make some effort to use the name of the right person.

And Don Monfort, or whatever your name is, you’ve got nothing going for you but name calling.

Comment on Critique of the IPCC Report on Renewable Energy by 13nm60n

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Comment on U.S. National Climate Assessment Report by JamesG

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Well they had been getting most of their imported coal from Russia so it’s not ramping up so much as switching supplier.

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Comment on U.S. National Climate Assessment Report by JamesG

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And it’s always your parents to blame for it :)

Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by JamesG

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All this can be predicted by a linear trend + oscillations and proposed by Swanson&Tsonis and Akasofu. The latter attributes the linear trend to a natural return from the little ice age. The former say it could be manmade or natural. Nothing yet indicates alarm. Aarm in fact, is only obtained from inadequate models with assumptions now deeply disproven.

Trenberth has that annoying zealots tendency of presenting his outlier opinions as if they were irrefutable facts. For him everything begins and ends with mankind and nature just responds. That prediction of 20 years in the future when disaster strikes was made 20 years ago after which nothing happened and will be made again 20 years from now after another 20 years of nothing.

I expect a cooling dip similar to the 1945 to 1975 period based on the as yet solid null hypothesis that nature is still in control plus the observation that climate scientists, en masse, are so far always wrong with all of their various unphysical, contradictory, ever-pessimistic predictions. If we don’t get a cooling dip that then I’ll just have to admit that maybe mankind is mildly warming the planet after all.


Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by Bart R

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Wagathon | May 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm |

Repeating Crichton Wagathon times is still beating a dead horse, albeit with better diction and somewhat more elaborate grammar.

We live — or rather lived — in the least fearful time in the history of history; an era of unparalleled optimism, between the end of the Red Scare and the Nuke Scare of Dr. Strangelove to the start of the Economic Scare, where high priests of panic repeated propaganda of ruined economies over and over until they became a palpable religion.

No one’s going to ruin the Economy with Science. Science is how you know where the Economy starts and ends.

Comment on U.S. National Climate Assessment Report by Pierre-Normand

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“Pierre, the potential temperature is the same. In fact, if you know surface temperature and absolute humidity you will be able to determine the temperature profile of the atmosphere at any elevation.”

Indeed. You need to know both the lapse rate and the surface temperature. Hence the back radiation term doesn’t enter into the equation. The back radiation is consistent with very many different values for the surface temperature. The back radiation is a function both of the full temperature profile and of the emissivity of the layers.

Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by ianl8888

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@JCH

“After two decades of it, La Nina episodes are tending to be the warmest ever; ENSO neutral episodes are tending to be the warmest ever”

The warmest ever – in 11,000 years or so ?

You don’t seem to get it, do you ? We are discussing spatio-temporal events. That requires time and place … warmest/coldest/wettest/driest *ever* is non-sequitur

Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by Ian Wilson

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As per usual @WHUT May 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm has got the horse before the cart:

@WHUT said:
The likely root cause of ENSO is a fluctuating pressure in the deep ocean as first described by R. Gross at JPL.

This fluctuation is strong enough to lead to the effect known as the Chandler Wobble as claimed by Gross.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/releases/2000/chandlerwobble.html

MY RESPONSE: But what cause the pressure variations at the base of the oceans? Try looking at the second figure in this recent blog posts:

http://astroclimateconnection.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/do-you-think-that-moon-might-have.html

It’s the Moon!

@WHUT said:

The key is that the Chandler Wobble beat frequency is very accurately measured and all that one has to do is feed this oscillating perturbation into a sloshing model of the ocean. What pops out is the ENSO behavior, as measured directly by the SOI timeseries.

Take a look at this agreement: http://imageshack.com/a/img842/2517/r2f8.gif

MY RESPONSE:

http://astroclimateconnection.blogspot.com.au/2010/03/why-do-long-term-periodicities-in-enso.html

The reason why you get such a good response is because Sidorenkov has determined that the frequency spectra of the ENSO indices has significant components that are close to the sub-harmonics of the free nutation period of the Earth’s poles (i.e. the Chandler Wobble) and the super-harmonics of the Earth’s forced nutation motion (i.e. the 18.6 year lunar nodical wobble). Sidorenkov argues that external forcing by the lunar/solar tides, acting at the super-harmonics of the Earth’s forced nutation motion, produce non-linear enhancements of the oscillations in the Earth-Atmosphere-Ocean system that closely match those that are seen in the ENSO climate variations. He also asserts that the resultant ENSO climate variations excite the Chandler Wobble through a resonant coupling with the sub-harmonics of the free nutation period of the Earth’s pole.

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Comment on IPCC TAR and the hockey stick by Watts Up With That?

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Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by WebHubTelescope (@WHUT)

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As per usual @WHUT May 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm has got the horse before the cart:

Notice what he said. He didn’t suggest that my analysis was wrong, only that somehow I got the cart before the horse. Translated, this means that I scooped him with a detailed mathematical treatment along with a fitted model. The worst he can say is that the attribution of what Gross is claiming causes the wobble and the deep ocean perturbation is still up in the air.

BTW, I actually linked the wrong graphic there. This is the model agreement to ENSO
http://imageshack.com/a/img838/973/52d2.gif


Comment on Profits(?) of doom by beththeserf

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Comment on El Ninos and La Ninas and Global Warming by Generalissimo Skippy

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It is no coincidence that shifts in ocean and atmospheric indices occur at the same time as changes in the trajectory of global surface temperature. Our ‘interest is to understand – first the natural variability of climate – and then take it from there. So we were very excited when we realized a lot of changes in the past century from warmer to cooler and then back to warmer were all natural,’ Tsonis said.

The trajectory of surface temperature more clearly correlates with ENSO than CO2 – including with the trend increase in El Nino frequency last century.

Webby’s curve fitting – starting with a sinusoidal function and tortuously modulating that to fit a data series – nebulously linked to standing wave equations on drumheads and the Earth’s wobble – mean very little. Even supposing that the Pacific can be modeled as a bath tub and that ENSO is the primary cause of changing pressure at depth. It can’t and it isn’t. It is unscientific in that it has zilch predictive capability. It exists solely in the mind of the purveyor and in a dark corner of the blogosphere.

What seems more likely is that the decadal pattern of ENSO+PDO will persist and – associated with increased cloud since 1998 – the world will not warm for decades hence. Not getting this seems a bit crazy.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Peter Lang

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Beth,

Are you lost? You seem to be lost in an old part of town (old thread). Do you have Alzheimer? :)

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