Kahan’s study of answers to questions was interesting. While there is a trend towards correct answers with more scientific knowledge, even knowledgeable Democrats were more likely to get wrong that Arctic sea-ice melting doesn’t create a sea-level rise, while even knowledgeable Republicans were more likely to get wrong that the 2000’s decade was warmer than the 1990’s decade or that more coastal flooding will result from global warming.
Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Jim D
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Comment on Thermodynamics, Kinetics and Microphysics of Clouds by WebHubTelescope (@WHUT)
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In which equation did they do that?
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In the one that they messed up. You claim to have purchased the book, so you can look it up.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by wiljan2014
“By the late 50s Revelle’s work on ocean chemistry and the application of astronomical computational methods to the radiative transfer of energy by the military to develop heating sensors for missile detection enabled a much more accurate calculation of the extra energy that accumulates from extra CO2.”
This is your bold faced lie. The measurements of the attenuation of atmosphere was done only for the amplitude modulation, never for any flux. If the atmosphere is in radiative equilibrium no radiative flux is absorbed at all, Kirchhoff’s laws of thermal radiation forbid such. The whole concept of “back radiation” flux in opposing directions at any frequency, is a direct contradiction of Maxwell’s equations, and has never been observed in this physical. Fantasy only.
“As a result by the mid 60s the present scientific consensus was firmly established. Direct measurement showed the rate of increase of anthropogenic CO2, calculation showed that a doubling of CO2 would cause a global warming of between 1.5 – 3.5 degC”
There may have been some consensus by a few academics that could never understand what was measured. No engineer involved in atmospheric seeing at that time would believe even one bit of that nonsense. Easy to disprove. The whole atmosphere and its water vapor do a better job of radiating excess and waste heat to space than the planetary surface possibly can do. There have never been direct measurements of what you claim. Fantasy only.
“Since the 60s there has been very little change in this consensus manufactured by the scientific progress of the last century. Certainly there is a lot more known about the detail, but nothing has emerged that undermines that consensus of fifty years ago.”
Since the 60s there has been very little done to change this fantasy manufactured by certain academics of the last century. Certainly there is a lot more known about the detail, but nothing has distracted the Climastrogolists from their willful malfeasance of fifty years ago.
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Comment on Week in review by kim
Heh, rising greenhouse gas levels in response to strong warming. They got the bow and arrow bass ackwards.
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Comment on Week in review by Don Monfort
Why tf should the skeptics complain that the Chinese are not joining the UN conference, jimmy dee? Are you just clowning here? I don’t have any more time or patience for you.
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Comment on Week in review by darrylb
David Hagen, Clouds and vapor–yes, and that is the big unknown in part because it is the only non-homogenous gas, in part because there is little quantitative history at various altitudes, and in part because the effects of not only of quantity but altitude is a huge variable.
Hind casting involved much H2O guessing to make things work out, -together with IMHO an exaggeration of volcanic aerosols, another historical unknown.
It is why Dr. Curry’s book should be a must–digest!
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tuppence
mtobis,
1. Government funds (virtually all) climate science
2.. Governmant has an enormous vested interest in alarmism, since that would give it the justification for ramping up taxes and bureaucracies.
This means climate acientists who preach alarm will be viewed more favorably than those that don’t. The more alarm, the more favor.
This is plain for all too see.
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Comment on Week in review by darrylb
Regardless of what might be the actual facts, which will probably be unknown for awhile, that kind of crap is akin to the stimulus for witch trials.
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Comment on Week in review by darrylb
Do people even consider that additional CO2 may be a benefit”
Satellite imagery shows as much as a 20% increase in plant life around the world.
The greatest increase is in semi arid regions because C3 plants (over 95% including all trees) do not have to keep their stoma open as long, thus not losing H2O
Kind of antithetical to the green movement.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
izen : This is a mature and well established scientific field of knowledge at least equal in authority to the development of evolutionary genetics and big bang cosmology.
Yes I’d forgotten about DNAgate and BigBangGate. Fraud and political aganda is normal in science, folks, so just get over it already .
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Peter Lang
DocMartyn,
My misunderstanding of what you said. My mistake. My apology. I read your comment after I’d read David Springer’s comment down-thread and mistakenly thought you were referring to interpretation of ice cores from boreholes in ice sheets. This is the comment I mistakenly thought you were responding to:
Borehole temperature series vs. depth in ice which isn’t subject to surface melting (i.e. dry year-round) are the most accurate metrics we have for the comparatively small portions of the earth where they can be taken. made. Boreholes in the Greenland Ice Sheet (GIS) reliably show that surface temperature in the year 1000AD were 1C warmer at that location than in the late 20th century.
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Comment on Week in review by JustinWonder
I thought the Berner Curve for Phanerozoic co2 showed that co2 was a trailing indicator. Maybe I misunderstood …
Justin
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
“overburdening”
This is a term used by alarmists to decribe what genuine scientists call proving your case, supporting you argument in a proper way, examining other avenues, dealing with criticisms, providing your data and algorithims.
All a tedious waste of time for the busy scientivist with some more important political or funding agenda to attend to.
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Comment on Week in review by Jim D
No, it is volcanoes then warming, not warming then volcanoes. The other way round makes no sense at all.
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Comment on Week in review by JustinWonder
There is a market for greenhouse generators based on the belief that plants grow better at co2 concentrations up to 1500 ppm. Google it and see what you get.
Justin
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Comment on Week in review by JustinWonder
I meant “greenhouse co2 generators” …
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
The Wegman affair:
A prof misses that some uncontroversial paragraph was plagiarised.
Every bit as serious as systemic hiding of data for 10 years, deleting evidence of having done so, and corrupt ‘investigations’ briebed with tax money that attempted to cover all this up.
Oh yes, Wegman has much to answer for.
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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Tanglewood
Joshua : But pointing out my lack of intelligence does nothing to answer the question of why such a smart fellow makes such obviously fallacious arguments.
He didn’t. You just dishonestly attributed obviously fallacious arguments to him.
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Comment on Week in review by mosomoso
“So we haven’t mastered the science of clouds yet.”
Oh, they shouldn’t let ignorance of the physical world bother them now. Not with their slews of studies. Whole slews! Don’t be so lineal and pre-postmod about having to actually know and observe stuff, okay?
On the other hand, it was amazing to see that headline in the New Scientist, about how we need clouds. And you thought they were decor!
While they have our attention on matters global, NS reports on how we don’t need no stinkin’ nation states. Clouds we need, nations we don’t. It’s perfect. The clever types can at last fulfil their dream of combining a Parisian lifestyle with a Pyongyang political system. And so government for clever types, by clever types of everybody else shall not perish from the earth.
Remember when adults were in charge of stuff like science mags? Seems a long time ago, doesn’t it?
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Comment on Week in review by angech
Piomas up and increasing despite small sea ice extent. let’s hope the extent starts to increase with this good volume start.
Best level in 5 years. I commented 3 years ago at ASI blog saying it might go up for the next 3 years and was banned.
Very happy now.
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