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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by izen

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@-David Springer
“And again IPCC the fifth says there is no reliable evidence to show that increasing global average temperature results in increasing frequency of either drought or flood.”

Globally the statistics are ambiguous.
But the local or regional picture is different. The IPCC AR5 says this-
The AR5 concludes that increased intensity and/or duration of drought has “likely” occurred in many regions since 1970 (SPM p.5), and a further increase in these intense droughts is projected in regions including the American Southwest (WGII Chpt 26, p. 11; p. 17). There is low confidence in global-scale changes in drought, but for the affected regions drought represents a major climate impact, one that “more likely than not” is already showing the fingerprints of human influence (SPM p.5).


Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by brent

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@Tonyb

You are committing sacrilege!! ::)) by deigning to question the holy authority of the Scientism Priesthood!!
cheers
brent (the denier!)

Julian Huxley First director general of UNESCO

The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a scientific world humanism, global in extent… It can stress… the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world political organization… Political unification in some sort of world government will be required…to help the emergence of a single world culture

http://ronpaulquotes.com/Texas_Straight_Talk/tst093002.html

Sir Julian Huxley (1887-1975) FRS

And in his book Religion Without Revelation, he wrote:

“What the sciences discover about the natural world and about the origins, nature and destiny of man is the truth for religion. There is no other kind of valid knowledge. This natural knowledge, organized and applied to human fulfilment, is the basis of the new and permanent religion.”

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/31/open-thread-weekend-30/#comment-373005

E.O Wilson Quotes
Science and religion are the two most powerful forces in the world. Having them at odds… is not productive.
People need a sacred narrative. They must have a sense of larger purpose, in one form or another, however intellectualized. They will find a way to keep ancestral spirits alive

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/17/climate-change-is-sucking-funding-away-from-biodiversity/#comment-1664385

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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Mondoman

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On Kahan’s blog page, in addition to Judith’s (and Gavin’s!) comments, the comments by Ronan Connolly are worth a look.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by phatboy

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It’s relatively easy to disentangle signals from noise if you know what the signal looks like. If you don’t then you can never be sure what’s signal and what’s noise.

Comment on Week in review by Fernando Leanme

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Jim2, I´ll read the report later and write about it more extensively. However, the EIA report starts out on the wrong foot. Did you notice it reports “crude oil” in the 55 degree API range? I would like to see somebody generate an equation of state showing how a 55 degree API “crude oil” can be in the liquid phase in a real life reservoir.

What the EIA does is mix oil AND condensate. The point I make is that OIL isn´t the same as CONDENSATE. My reasoning gets extremely technical here. I like to focus on the difference because a CONDENSATE is found in the gas phase at reservoir conditions. This is critically important because gases have much lower viscosities, and have a lot more compressibility than liquids. This makes production of hydrocarbons in the gas phase much easier — if the rock happens to be a fractured shale it´s VERY important. Thus the surge in production we see is largely associated with production of a GAS PHASE which condenses as it moves out of the reservoir. The major exception is the Bakken. And that´s hyped because oil just doesn´t have the same compressibility as gas. The Bakken will not have the legs. And I´m taking into account the fact that the Bakken isn´t even a real “shale”.
I don´t want to write stuff for free when I can charge for it, but the IEA doesn´t inspire confidence.

Comment on Week in review by Fernando Leanme

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Hell, I just finished skimming over the report. It´s a short term two year forecast. THey also include a statement explaining the refiners will have to make investments to produce the lighter blend to be produced in the future.

A more rational approach would be to allow liquid hydrocarbon exports. The USA will continue to import oil under any scenario we can foresee, which means exports (mostly light condensates and the butane hidden in the mix) will be the optimum solution. The exported crude is swapped for imports of heavier crude. The price spread and the product slate justify the transport cost. If it doesn´t justify it, then the export doesn´t take place. But it´s pretty dumb to limit exports and insist that refiners start adding units to refineries when in the long term crude production will drop anyway. The USA will not be consuming as much oil in 30 years as it does now, that´s for sure. We are heading into an oil crunch, and that´s inevitable. And this is why refiners really don´t want to invest in more refining capacity in the USA, or in changes to their kit.

Comment on Week in review by Fernando Leanme

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David, the base reopening is for show. Ice conditions in that region are very harsh. Read about Shell´s problems in the Chuckchi so you can get an idea about the difficulties involved.

The day you see the report about a couple of fields developed in the Kara Sea you can start speculating about exploration further East. The Kara Sea fields are discovered, and haven´t been put on production.


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Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by ImranCan

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I think there is way to much psycho-analysis going on here. You need look no further than the famous reply made by Mandy Rice-Davies to the prosecutor when it was pointed out that Lord Astor, with whom she had allegedly had an affair, had denied ever having met her. Her reply “Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he ?” is arguably one of the greatest witness-box statements of all time. In a single 7 word put down she utterly destroyed the notion that authority has any more claim on the truth than anyone else.

I believe the reason people are not interested in climate change is due to the fact that they can clearly see (what apparently no alarmist can see) that the world around them is pretty much the same as it always has been and if there are any changes happening, they are too slow and too uncertain too be worth worrying about. And the more the green lobby try and convince them otherwise, the more they are likely to ignore it.

I think the common man already knows the truth, as did the general public back in the early 60’s, about the decadent state of British politics. Which is why the beautiful elegance of Ms. Rice-Davies reply was so appealing and so memorable. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know the truth.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Mike Flynn

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izen,

As you eloquently point out “It is simple topology and conservation of matter that tectonic movement of the land and ocean floor has zero effect on he volume of the oceans. It can only change the local position of the sea shore. ”

I believe that a change in the local position of the sea shore is also known as a change in sea level – you may not. The nonsense about the conservation of matter is just silly – the language of the pseudo scientific poseur – devoid of of real meaning.

As to your assertion that the volume of the oceans can only be changed by thermal expansion and the addition of water from land ice is firstly, nonsense, and second, irrelevant, as you have already stated.

You may well believe that rivers do not flow into the sea, that precipitation does not occur, and that water resulting from the oxidation of hydrocarbons refuses to eventually increase oceanic volume. Possibly the water from the Aral Sea and similar bodies remains hidden away in some arcane Warmist repository, along with the non existent Hidden Heat.

Obviously, to you, my local variation in sea level as tides rise and fall, varying as it does between around zero and seven metres, does not count – after all, the ocean’s volume didn’t change did it?

Enjoy the febrile figments of your imaginarium, along with your fellow Warmists. I prefer to live in the real world of continuous change and uncertainty.

Live well and prosper,

Mike Flynn.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Mike Flynn

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With sincere apologies in advance for the awfulness of the pun, might I submit that Gobal Warming is the result of the incorrect use of Warmist procedures on observed historical temperatures.

I refer, of course, to the use of the Warmist AlGoreRithm.

Live well and prosper,

Mike Flynn.

Comment on Week in review by Jim D

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The main point seemed to be that the relative strength of natural variability was decreasing by 10% per decade.

Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Brandon Shollenberger

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stevepostrel, it’s impossible to say. Stephan Lewandowsy managed to do what you describe by applying tests inappropriate for his data. The tests he used require the data have a normal distribution. If that’s not true, the tests produce incorrect results. In Lewandowsky’s case, it produced the spurious correlations you refer to.

For part of his work, Dan Kahan applied simple correlation tests which also assume the data is normally distributed. His data does not have a normal distribution. That means those test were inappropriate in the same way Lewandowsky’s tests were.

That doesn’t mean the result of using an inappropriate test is the same though. Using data with a non-normal distribution can produce all sorts of strange results. Without being able to see the data itself, I don’t know how the inappropriateness affected the results. It could have had any number of impacts. I know what Kahan did, and it is the same thing Lewandowsky did, but until Kahan publishes his data (something he refuses to do), I can’t say how it affected his results.

What I can say is Kahan is incredibly obtuse about this issue. I pointed out the issue, saying:

the r scores show you making the same sort of mistake Stephan Lewandowsky and Michael Wood made.

Kahan asked if the simple correlation scores he reported were what I was referring to. I responded by saying (in part):

The only thing I could have possibly been referring to were the “simple correlations” you refer to now, ones you can find by searching for “r =0.” in the document.

Clearly acknowledging I was referring to what he asked if I was referring to. His response was baffling:

So in other words you won’t tell me which correlations you think are invalid. Okay. I’m sure you are very busy– just thought since you’d made the effort to read, I’d see if I could get some useable insight from you.

I don’t understand this response. How can someone be snarky based on the idea I refused to answer a question when I specifically acknowledged the answer was what he thought it was. I even gave a search string so one could find what I was referring to without having to look through the whole document being discussed.

That wasn’t the only time he flat-out made things up about what I said. And like the other times, he simply ignored the issue when I pointed out his error. If that’s not him being willfully obtuse, I don’t know what it is.

Comment on Week in review by maksimovich

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On forcing, even the small 0.2 W/m2 solar cycles are detectable in the temperature record

Thats a global average at 1 au.The real change is due to the asymmetry NH/SH where if we include the orbital forcing from the annular mode in the SH is a decrease of 0.4wm^2 over the recent solar minima.

The recent change in the 21st century in the Co2 forcing in the midlatitude stations in the SH is also clearly evident ie a decrease in the Co2 growth rate and a lag increase from around 18 months to 4 years in comparison with MLO. ie 393 ppm sh/401ppm nh.


Comment on What exactly is going on in their heads? by Steven Mosher

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Why not is simple.
he doesn’t have the skill

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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From the article:

Yet van Beurden devoted a surprising amount of time to addressing what he termed “the real and current threat of climate change,” and he promoted Shell’s own initiatives to reduce carbon emissions. The CEO implied that oil companies and conservationists could find common ground in a “skewed global debate” about the environment and oil production.

“Global companies like Shell have a responsibility to speak up,” about what van Beurden called “the potentially devastating effects of climate change.” He backed growth in renewables, even as he acknowledged they were not yet sufficient to satisfy all the globe’s energy demands.

To be certain, Shell remains devoted to pumping oil: the company has been embroiled in a regulatory tussle over its $4.5 billion effort to drill in the Alaskan Arctic. Simultaneously, Shell has taken a bath on efforts to tap the U.S. shale boom.

Yet by giving such prominence to environmental concerns, Shell’s efforts could be seen as either a sincere move to diversify away from oil—or a public relations campaign to neutralize opponents. In a sign of its commitment to curbing carbon dioxide after jettisoning its own investments in the solar sector, Shell is now building a carbon capture and storage plant in Scotland.

So can Big Oil really go from black to green? Recent history has been less than encouraging, and the environmental movement certainly has its share of doubts.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101975555

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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Hydrogenated vegetable oil – AKA margarine :)

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Comment on Week in review by David L. Hagen

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PARTIALLY hydrogenated vegetable oil?
So its still liquid outside the tropics?
Like diesel!

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