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Comment on Bankruptcy of the ‘merchants of doubt’ meme by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)

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‘The transition isn’t going to happen over night. I don’t see any indication we can’t do it.’

H’mm.

After 30 years of pro-renewable policies and high-level political pressure and all, renewables still make up only about 1% of the world’s energy mix. And many of those years were when Joe Public had been persuaded that The Science Was Settled and Global Warming was a major problem that we needed to fix. Governments threw taxpayers money at it willy nilly in huge subsidies. And still achieved a pretty pathetic 1%

To even get to 50% by the end of the century the rate of adoption will need to increase 20 times from where it is today. Do you really think that is financially achievable? Do you think people will stand for the despoilment of their countryside with wind farms and solar panels in countries where population is dense, demand for energy is high and land is expensive and rare?

Maybe the vast rolling plains of the Midwest are suitable. But there are no equivalent open spaces left in Europe.

I read about the China US ‘deal’. Seemed to me it was a commitment for the US to cut its emissions and for China to look again at theirs in 15 or so years. A pretty one-sided agreement that will be quietly forgotten as soon as possible.

The basic problem remains. By comparison with fossil fuels, renewables have lots of practical disadvantages. And the only thing they have going for them ‘fewer emissions’ is no longer a politically winning argument. People just don’t care.


Comment on Bankruptcy of the ‘merchants of doubt’ meme by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)

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@tony b

Good man! I heard rumours somebody had bought one. We must meet up..it gets very lonely on the terraces all by myself…. cheers

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by justinwonder

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Is it my imagination or have comments already been deleted? I realize there has been a lot of useless bickering in some of the threads and there are a few notorious trolls, but I hope the blog does not become humorless. That said, it is your blog and you are free to do what you want with it

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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by ordvic

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Science is broken! Much like the low fat dietary charade, climate science is based on an unproven pretext intent on driving the public toward a goal thought as a public good. Those that question it must be ostrisized. In the case of dietary science the mistake ended with serious ramifications including obesity, diabetes and other health problems that harmed the public instead of serving it. Climate Science should stand on its own and not feel threatened by the normal science process testing the validity of claims. The 97% should have been a red flag rather than a presidential talking point. To have a paper published or research funded that require speaking to consensus thwarts the science process of testing hypothesis.

Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns

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No, we don’t. I’ve been showing how your simple averaging of stations is bad arithmetic for that purpose.

:-) Well you may think you’ve been showing me but I’m afraid I just don’t see it. You produced a chart that was pretty well identical to mine – which is good, but somehow you seem to believe that it shows something other than a long-term flat trend. And I’m afraid I can’t make head nor tail of the table you posted. Folks can check for themselves. Click on a station and get a chart.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/find_station.cgi?lat=-23.8&lon=133.88&dt=1&ds=1

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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by stevefitzpatrick

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Hi Judith…
Just lost a long (and I think wonderfully insightful!) comment when I tried to post…. even though I was already logged into my WordPress account and my avatar was being displayed.. There seen to be some issues with your new set-up.


Comment on On the social contract between science and society by ossqss

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The behavior we see in the climate sciences would not be tolerated anywhere else in society. When the POTUS blatantly discriminates against, and persecutes, a given group of people, we have reached a new low.

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by curryja

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oh dear! apologies. particularly surprised that a problem occurred while logged into wordpress?

Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns

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Nick, I can only conclude that you have a serious issue in relation to the way you see data. A regression through Turkey Creek would come out fairly flat. It shows the mid-70s cooling. Classic flat central Australian record.

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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns

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Yuendumu simply shows recovery from the 1970s cold spell.

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by Steven Mosher

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“I didn’t become an academic in order to be led. Nor did I become an academic to lead others. I’m an academic because I want to contest, argue, debate, explore, and challenge the received wisdom. ”

I always had these kids in my class who wore T-shirts that said
“Question Authority”

They always had trouble with the following questions.

1. How do respond to stop signs and red lights when you drive?
2. What would you do if there was no authority to define your behavior?

telling people that they ought to follow your advice and think for themselves, is kinda funny.

willard might enjoy this…


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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by davideisenstadt

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Geez Steve that was an informative, illuminating post.
I guess one should never question authority…the point is to question authority, not to obey authority without thinking.
really?
For a guy with a degree in english, you seem to have trouble parsing relatively simple sentiences.
Most wouldn’t infer from the quote “question authority” that one should never obey any law…
Off your game today, you are.

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by justinwonder

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by Willis Eschenbach

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Aaaand once again, we have someone talking about the relationship between science and society who doesn’t mention that the leading lights of the climate alarmist movement were exposed in Climategate by their own words to be liars, cheaters, and lawbreakers … I grow bored, Judith, with your endless attempts to minimize the dishonesty and claim that instead it is a structural problem.

Folks, its not all complex like Judith keeps arguing. It’s not about Eisenhower and the change in funding. It’s not about structure. It’s not about communication.

It’s bozo-simple. People don’t trust mainstream climate scientists because according to their own words their leaders lied to us, suborned perjury, subverted the IPCC, distorted the results, packed the pal-review panels, pressured the scientific journals, and then lied about it when they were caught.

It’s not a mystery requiring deep thought. When renowned climate scientists get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, people don’t like it one bit … and when they deny it despite their own emails confirming it, people get very suspicious.

And when the mass of other climate scientists either say nothing, or else celebrate and fete and offer support to the scientists who stole from the cookie jar, people will likely never trust any of them again.

Like I said … it’s not complex. When scientists lie, cheat, and steal, and other scientists either say nothing or approve of the actions, it ruptures the “social contract between science and society” … d’oh.

w.

Comment on On the social contract between science and society by bedeverethewise

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Every acedemic should spend some time working in the real world. They can easily go back to academia after they get fired.

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