I was catching the coverage on TV – very sad.
ENSO might be a better indicator of tornado intensity and frequency. If we turned attention to natural variability – we might make some progress.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/la-nina-and-tornado-outbreaks-in-the-usa/
I don’t know about that, one is wet and the other not so much.
Actually, to really see the difference you need the estimated absolute values. In the NH, the Ocean is about 19.9 C and the Land is about 11 C. yielding a basic “sensitivity” of ~0.196 for the oceans and ~ 0.175 for the land. Then the “average” land elevation is +680 meters resulting in an “effective” “sensitivity” about 10% higher, ~0.158 C/Wm-2.
You can also compare the ratio of the standard deviations, but unfortunately, the “surface” temperature record has some issues with interpolation, so the satellite data appears to give a better estimate.
How does that prove it was getting warmer on Mars during those three seasons? It may have gotten warmer in the first season then held a constant temperature thereafter.
In fact that’s what happened on the earth. It got warmer during 1997 and 1998 from an extreme El Nino then held the higher temperature constant for the next ten years then for the next three years (to now) temperature has declined a lot from back to back La Ninas.
As far as you being a messenger that would be a compliment you don’t deserve as you didn’t transmit the message but rather your own mistaken inferrals taken from it.
Let me help. There is a distinction. Look at it this way.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/mean:120/mean:12/from:1900/plot/crutem4vgl/mean:120/mean:12/from:1900
Yeah right. Nice just-so story. Did you make it up yourself or get it from someone else?
captdallas 0.8 or less | May 20, 2013 at 11:57 am |
I realize satire need make no sense.
However, if AK and Springer were to grow the Carbon Cycle synthetically by new technology, they’d arguably be recipients of double dividends, not prevented from going ahead.
In BC, Australia or any other jurisdiction with a fee and dividend system, the new high tech jobs created by AKSpringer Inc. would thereby be paid more than elsewhere in the world.
See how that works?
Until AKSpringer Inc. draws down so much CO2E that the demand for lower CO2 vanishes, they’d be rolling in dough due their entrepreneurial capitalist spirit.
And BC, or Australia, or wherever would be able to grab up massive royalties through carbon trading markets, gaining a positive trade position and bursting reserves, allowing the government to eliminate all other taxes, as well as government debt.
As corporate headquarters and the ultra wealthy the world over migrate with their fabulous wealth and high-paying service sector jobs, Australia, or BC, or wherever would become a beacon of power, and home to secret cabals controling the lives of serfs and proles everywhere, in a carbonless utopia.
See how satire is meant to be done?
Steve, that’s excellent, the Dynamist description fits me a lot better than any right-left dichotomy. I might buy the book.
Like those Tri-Staters in 1925, listening to Al Jolson and practising the Charleston. Can’t say they weren’t warned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Tornado
And as for the Natchez people in 1840…they were warned of the existence of tornadoes, but what did they do about it?
Sorry to dredge up the past. I know it’s been banned, but one can’t help peeping.
Anyway, I have a great love of American people and I just know they’ll get through this and help one another through it, just like Aussies would do.
climatereason | May 20, 2013 at 10:33 am |
I’m quite hopeful of paleofishometry as another means to add depth and color to the overall climate picture.
Plus, it’ll be a near infinite source or wordplay, so Beth ought be happy, depending on her opinion of puns.
If only fish bones were easier to differentiate in sediments.
JimD, You know what is kinda funny about anomalies?, They are baseline dependent, dangedest thing. If you use a satellite era baseline, since that is the cat’s ass of global telemetry, land is catching up instead of leading. Being able to get different results using the same data is called a lack of “Robustness”. Some, not Cappy of course, might use preferential “views” that the lack of robustness allows for their own gain.
Of course, absolute values tends to reduce the “creativity” of presentation.
Here’s a narrative for you to construct.
The average temperature of the ocean mixed layer today is 14C and has presumably been 14C for 10,000 years. How did the average temperature of the entire basin get to 4C without that being the average temperature of the top layer?
A followup, how does anyone know the conveyor belt was doing say 1000 years ago, 10,000 years ago, and 50,000 years ago?
Spin me a yarn, Pratt.
Lets adjust Jims graph,to accounts for waterworld ie the SH
The proposition does not hold.
captd, you can shift the zero where you like, the rate for land will still be double that for ocean over the last 30 or so years. I can see you are trying to pull your obfuscation thing here but it doesn’t work.
maksimovich, yes, the northern continents are larger and have by far the greatest warming. More people live on those too (90% of the world population). But OK, if Oz and South America stay comfortable, you may be getting new neighbors.
The SH also has the greatest forcing of solar irridiance into the ocean 2 orders of magnitude (the annular mode) greater then the forcing here
You can compare the southern ocean with the northern CRUTEM4 continent. It is not even close.
Sorry using BEST and Hadcrut4 -is what it is. There is a bit of a divergence over the last decade but that isn’t climate is it? Otherwise we have what we expect – smaller variability over oceans but temperatures don’t diverge too much.
Ultimately – connections between land and ocean are a couple of days at most.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-does-ocean-temperature-affect-air-temperature.htm
Hmm. Wingnuttery is a bit like libel. If a statement is true, it isn’t wingnuttery or libel. One isn’t a wingnut just because one speaks a truth with which other people disagree, however many there happen to be. As often as not, the categorisation of wingnuttery says more about the prejudice of the utterer than about the truth of an issue.
Chief, Suzanne is indeed picturesque in her poverty. But I want no kin of mine, or yours, to be fossicking through garbage. I don’t think Lorca Cohen was abandoned to live thus, not even when Leonard was at his druggiest and most escapist.
After certain risks and adventures, I’ve been living out in the scrub with just some scant savings lately. Our Green Betters would be proud of my stupendously low footprint, offset many times over by acres of moso bamboo. But just as soon as I can get my hands on some more dough, I’ll kiss the sour old hag, Poverty, a big sloppy goodbye once again. I’ll be making jet-trails.
Chief, Suzanne is best left in a song.
